Best College Or University for Bachelors, Masters or PhD? It Depends…

Best College Or University for Bachelors, Masters or PhD? It Depends…


hi until offend i graduated from said
the state with bachelor’s degree physics in two thousand nine and currently
attending some of the state kid and masters in physics icons and
concentration cannot the main question every high school student has been his how much does it matter what college by
or university i go to i can speak from the perspective of the
science engineering and mathematics yours it’d be interesting to hear commentary
from those who studied some of the social sciences or business
for long first i think i your kids answers forum regards to undergraduate it does not matter it does not matter where you get your
undergraduate in education because every single university in america uses the same
fricking textbooks for undergraduate classes there’s no benefit to going to m_i_t_ versus stacey issue and you have the same access to all the
argues it’s research experience for undergrads are supported by the national
science foundation that is a must do if you’re in undergrad
and science or engineering matt major for graduate education for graduate p_h_d_ education it really matters you
have to research this because you need to go to a university that
where there are professors that are actively doing research in the area that
you want to study because graduate level mph d level research on the sciences and engineering it’s highly specialized and if you don’t have people who are
highly specialized in the area that you wish to certain study you’re not going
to get good in digication so you have to study figure out which colleges spout professors who are actively conducting research in the field you
want to stop and also at means that you could have there are there will be professors that
will be willing to sponsor your research there point if you’re only goal is to get a
masters degree and not a p_h_d_ so you just want to get your master’s
degree and go into industry do not go to any university that offers
p_h_d_’s because deign to oppose all the attention on the
p_h_d_ students because a p_h_d_ students are the ones who get tim grant
money if you are just going for a masters degree they won’t care about you you’ll get a much better experience if
you go to something like a c issue where the highest degree you can get is a
master’s degree all the professor’s will be highly
invested including you best experience possible because you’re
the highest level of education they can provide v only benefit to going to a stanford
for a master’s degree is the main but that brings me to my
final point industry how much does it matter what main is on
your diploma

62 comments

  1. Good advice. I think I remember this guy from a previous TYTUniversity video about selling textbooks…I wonder why Ana/Jayar aren't commenting on these videos anymore.
    Someone should do a video on which masters/phD programs are worthwhile and which are not because I know a lot of people who waste money on art history graduate programs or philosophy

  2. I noticed that many of my most highly regarded professors did their graduate work at big state schools. My graduate chair went to Arizona State University and was president of the National Academy of Neuropsychology. His name is immediately recognized at any conference in my field I've attended. The name of the university on your degree doesn't make you more or less talented or intelligent. It's how much you know and what you do with it that matters most.

  3. @hurricanehaynes He isn't speaking an opinion to be able to disagree with. It's facts. Employers don't care about where you got your bachelor's from, and they definitely don't care about your GPA.

  4. I agree with the majority of his points , also coming from a science background, especially about getting a masters at a non PhD school (because its more difficult to get stipends there also.) what I disagree on however is choosing undergraduate schools because research is sometimes not nearly accessible at some schools at it is at others. That is just a little something that people should look into along with TA positions, tutoring positions etc. Make the most out of undergrad.

  5. so many high schoolers stress over what university they go to, wanting to go to the "top school" because it makes them look good. guess what? YOU'RE GOING TO STUDY THE SAME STUFF AS EVERYBODY ELSE.

  6. Theres's definitely a difference between engineering or physics at MIT and San Jose State… Even if we assume that the undergraduate education is the same (which it isn't) the odds of getting into a top grad school are significantly higher for an MIT grad than a San Jose State grad. Consider the fact that it is extremely difficult to progress up (that is to say go to a significantly better grad school than undergrad) Even for the minority who accomplish this, why give yourself a handicap?

  7. I'm a EE and I agree with what he's saying, especially the last part. Focus on your career and marketable skills, not getting into the school with the best name and going $100k in debt is the answer. Opportunity is everywhere and 20 years from now, your employer won't care about where you got your degree, only your experience will matter!!!

  8. Kind of a biased opinion coming for a someone who clearly cares nothing about name recognition (Coming from San Jose State).

  9. I also disagree with him. How can he say that where you go for your undergraduate education makes no difference if hes only been to one university. The fact that they use the same text books doesn't necessarily matter at all. When I did undergraduate psychology we barely used the text books. The quality of teaching can vary dramatically. At oxford for example you get 1 on 1 tutorials, that can make an enormous difference and going to a prestigious uni can 'help' you get a job in many fields.

  10. @fenrir270 I know I'm speaking for my school here, but I've been told by my professors that the "key" to grad school, besides good grades & such, is internships. So the SJS student who gets a good internship is gonna get the grad school nod over the MIT student with no internship(s). I understand you, but I really would rather agree with the poster of the video, why should HS dictate your bachelors school, & why should that dictate where you go for grad school, &etc. Yep Yep

  11. In Business in Canada, it DOES matter unless you are doing more than a masters. Most will stop at a masters, where both your undergrad AND grad will count, especially at first. Obviously the masters is more important though. There are some masters that are 1 year and undergrad is 4 years so in those cases it is really 50/50 in importance

  12. @thogry67 It's a myth. If you went to a school that was a heavyweight in your field you would know better. Your school's, and your department's reputations are damn near everything, and GPA is the rest. Alumni networking alone skews preferences for hiring graduates, and if you graduate from a big program you'll need to stand out from the others.

  13. @loveofphysics

    You are the man in the video? I think the fact that you have tutored in the field at multiple universities gives your statements a lot more weight, did you say that in the video? Anyway I take your point. I think that the title of the video is slightly misleading though since you are specifically talking about hard sciences, but that isn't your fault.

  14. @jpoodle Internships are helpful yes, and especially if you're trying to make a distinction between someone from SJS and U of Iowa, but MIT… there really is no comparison. Besides why would you ever assume that an SJS student would get an internship when and MIT student wouldn't? Like everything else worth striving for good internships are competitive and the fist place employers look is MIT.

  15. @loveofphysics My university (Canada) also uses Stewart for some of it's calculus courses so it's safe to say that textbooks are used internationally. Sadly, I have to use Spivak's Calculus because I'm in the theoretical math program. 🙁

  16. Pro tip: get accepted into a PhD program where they will pay you $20k/yr. Get a Masters through that program. If that's as far as you want to go, drop out at that point.

  17. @loveofphysics You don't have the data to assert that all of them use the same book. The majority do, just like the majority of computer science undergrad programs teach Java, that doesn't mean all undergrad programs are equal. If anything it's a suggestion to only consider different schools if they have different programs and different literature. My physics teacher didn't care about the book, so I used Feynman and Griffith and SICM.

  18. @loveofphysics Furthermore your argument that "it's all the same material in the end" is still not a justification for treating all undergrad programs the same. It is an argument for staying home and learning for free or just by buying the same books and reading them. One reason apart from the paper to even go to college is so that you can pay professors to help you learn the material. The quality of undergrad professors should be a high factor in your list of comparisons.

  19. @loveofphysics It's not a criticism that you failed to gather and explain the data necessary to use a universal quantifier, it's a criticism that you used the universal quantifier regardless as if it doesn't matter.

  20. @loveofphysics I don't know why your comment got flagged as spam. I'm in full agreement here that teaching quality isn't necessarily correlated with the prestige of the school, but it is an axis to compare undergrad programs which contradicts your point that they are all equivalent.

  21. What did you mean at the end? was it like the name of the college doesn't mean shit because they all have the same value or was like, a persons name doesn't mean shit because it's useless in this recession.

  22. It might not be true for business or any field where success relies primarily on networking but its true for scienceand engineering.

    I got my bachelors from a cal state in computer science, and now I work as a software engineer for one of most successful technology companies in the world. I work next to guys who studied at top universities who paid 10 times I did for education and other guys from India and Russia who studied who knows where, but they all know their stuff and can prove it.

  23. Also, not to give too much credit to my university, I didn't get my job just because of my dregree but also for the extra research and experience I pursued by myself.

  24. I'm sorry, I know this poor kid is trying to convince himself that the only part of his education that matters is which textbook he uses, but the truth is that at a top 10 engineering school you typically have:

    1. Better professors. Like it or not, it's the case.
    2. Better facilities. You can't tell me the toys at MIT aren't better.
    3. More competition. It's not only professors who push each other to be better.
    4. You get to say you went to MIT/Stanford/Carnegie Mellon. It matters.

  25. The vide is misleading. Your ability to get into a good PhD program is extremely affected by where you went to undergrad. 4.0 GPA and amazing recommendations from obscure school/ unknown profs are not nearly as valuable as a descent GPA and recs from MIT. Same with very good job offers for engineers.

  26. I disagree. In some graduate schools like some dental schools, if your school is ranked top ~50 they will boost your gpa to give the people that went to a more difficult school

  27. @juanirdag I think he meant the name of the school doesn't mean anything because they all offer the same opportunites, resources, quality of education, etc…

  28. @MsZooper You say this with what justification? Grad School acceptance rates are tricky to find accurately reported, however the top 10-20 schools for law, math, physics, engineering, comp sci, etc. are frequently reported in the single digits.

    Consider MIT's undergrad acceptance rate of about 9% (I personally know 3 kids who all scored 35-36 on the ACT with perfect SAT sub scores who were all denied or deferred) You think a kid from MIT applying to MIT has no advantage over someone from SJS?

  29. it only matters considerably when getting your first job after obtaining bachelor's. After your first or second job, employers are going to look more at previous work experiences. It really depends on what you want to do though.

  30. @fenrir270 The community college I lived in had SIGNIFICANTLY better computer engineering courses than any of the local CSUs or even the "Ivy league" equivalent college I ended up attending for a year in Tokyo.
    Of course, it was sort of an outlier as it had be far the best computer engineering courses of any community college in the nation and was an early adopter of associate majors and career certificates in those categories.
    Prestige doesn't even equate to having access to the right courses.

  31. @alienkishorekumar How many years have you worked in HR? Can you point to any statistics that demonstrate this to be the case?
    The only company I have ever heard of being highly discriminatory towards people based on which college they attended was Facebook.

  32. @skyzefawlun Are any of those advantages actually worth the extra costs if you are paying out-of-pocket when you get right down to it though? You are going to pay $300,000 instead of $30,000 to have a better chance at getting a job that pays $5,000 more a year?

  33. @TheHobgoblyn 300k vs. 30k?

    MIT avg. indebtedness at graduation: $15,228
    SJS avg. indebtedness at graduation: $9,483

    Also consider that on avg. in related fields of engineering the MIT grad pay can be as high as 20k extra per year depending what sites you use to compare.

  34. @TheHobgoblyn Whether this is true about your community college or not, that still was not the point as was making. I don't know where you received your undergrad degree, but I am well aware of the fact that community colleges can in some instances at top schools like U of I increase odds of admission.

    1. I'm not sure what you mean by Ivy League equivalent, Ivy League just refers to 8 old, prestigious colleges in NE US, there are many non Ivy League schools that are better suited for science

  35. @TheHobgoblyn 2. Even if we were to assume your community college had courses that were better than those at MIT, going to MIT drastically improves chances of being excepted to a prestigious grad school. The speaker in the video stresses the importance of grad school, so I don't see how going to a good undergrad school wouldn't be important (unless you failed to get accepted).

  36. yes it doeas matter. No one in my highschool was from a CSU. Alll were from US Davis or UC San Jose. Undergrad. wwith only a bachellors……..it matters.

  37. Physics is a huge field. Most physics majors focus on one area (in this video's case, optics) which is highly specialized. Physics is an excellent field for job availability if you get high enough in the field.

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