Federal Career Day Panel

Federal Career Day Panel


>>I’D LIKE TO THANK OUR PARTICIPANTS
HERE ON THE PANEL FOR COMING TODAY. MY NAME IS LUANNE WEDGE, AND
I’M FROM STUDENT EMPLOYMENT SERVICES HERE AT GRCC, AND WHAT WE’RE GONNA DO HERE
FOR THE NEXT HALF HOUR OR SO IS HAVE EVERYONE, HERE ON THE PANEL,
JUST KIND OF TALK ABOUT MORE DETAIL ABOUT THEIR POSITIONS
AND WHERE THEY WORK AND CAN MAYBE TELL A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT THEIR OWN CAREER PATH AND HOW THEY ENDED UP
WHERE THEY ARE TODAY, AND ONCE WE DO THAT,
WE’LL OPEN IT UP TO QUESTIONS, TOO. SO, IF ANY OF YOU HAVE
ANY SPECIFIC QUESTIONS YOU’D LIKE TO ASK OF OUR GROUP,
PLEASE DO SO. SO, UM, WHAT WE’LL DO IS, JUST FIRST,
GET STARTED DOWN HERE AT THE END AND IF– AND WE CAN JUST–
OR, WE CAN JUST START HERE– HOW ABOUT THAT?
>>THAT’S FINE. THAT’S NO PROBLEM–
THAT’S NO PROBLEM.>>IF YOU CAN INTRODUCE YOURSELF?
>>SURE.>>AND JUST LET EVERYBODY KNOW
WHAT AGENCY YOU WORK WITH, AND THEN, WE CAN GET STARTED
JUST KIND OF TALKING ABOUT YOUR SPECIFIC POSITION AND HOW YOU GOT
TO WHERE YOU ARE, OKAY? WE’LL GET STARTED.
>>UM, MY NAME IS SAMANTHA CORSO. I WORK AT THE U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE
FOR THE WESTERN DISTRICT OF MICHIGAN. I AM A STUDENT CLERK. UM, I WORK WITH THE PARALEGALS
AND THE LEGAL ASSISTANTS, HELPING THEM FILL OUT FORMS,
WRITE PLEADINGS. I ALSO HELP THEM
OPEN AND CLOSE FILES. I DO SIMPLE TASKS
AS COPYING. I ALSO HELP THE RECEPTIONIST
BACK UP THE PHONES.>>MY NAME IS DONNA. I’M A PARALEGAL SPECIALIST
AT THE U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE. I’VE BEEN THERE
ALMOST 29 YEARS. I WAS A STUDENT
AT DAVENPORT IN 1983 WHEN I WAS TOLD OF THE STUDENT POSITION,
LIKE SAM IS IN… UM, AND I APPLIED FOR IT,
AND TWO MONTHS LATER, THEY WANTED TO HIRE ME
FULL-TIME. SO, BACK THEN, YOU HAD
TO TAKE CIVIL SERVICE EXAM. SO, I WORKED FULL-TIME
DURING THE SUMMER, BECAUSE THAT’S THE OPPORTUNITY
THAT THE STUDENTS HAVE WHEN THEY’RE NOT IN SCHOOL. THEY’RE LIMITED TO, LIKE, 20 HOURS A WEEK
DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR, AND THEN, THE SUMMERTIME
IS FULL-TIME, AND THEN, DURING CHRISTMAS BREAKS
AND SPRING BREAK, IT’S FULL-TIME. I TOOK THE CIVIL SERVICE EXAM
IN AUGUST OF ‘83 AND THEN GOT HIRED PERMANENTLY
IN DECEMBER OF THAT YEAR AND, OF COURSE, THAT SEPTEMBER,
I STARTED MY SECOND YEAR AT DAVENPORT AT NIGHTTIME,
FULL-TIME, WITH MY CLASSES. SO, I STARTED
IN A LEGAL ASSISTANT POSITION. AND OVER THE YEARS,
THE TITLES HAVE CHANGED. LEGAL SECRETARY, LEGAL CLERK,
LEGAL TECHNICIAN, AND THEN, IN 1997,
A PARALEGAL POSITION BECAME AVAILABLE BECAUSE OF AN INCREASE
IN THE BANKRUPTCY AREA AND THE CHANGE IN THE SHIFT
OF WHAT OUR OFFICE DID, IN RELATION TO
THE INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE CASES. AND SO, I SPECIALIZE
IN BANKRUPTCY LAW… AND I WILL PROBABLY RETIRE
FROM THERE.>>(laughing)
>>I GET GOOD BENEFITS. WE GET THE FEDERAL
PAID HOLIDAYS OFF. UH, THE FEDERAL RETIREMENT. I SWITCHED FROM THE CIVIL SERVICE
RETIREMENT SYSTEM IN 1984 TO WHAT’S CALLED “F.E.R.S.” SO NOW, MY RETIREMENT IS A COMBINATION
OF THE F.E.R.S. RETIREMENT, THE SOCIAL SECURITY,
AND THEN A THRIFT SAVINGS PLAN, WHICH YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH,
AND SIMILAR TO, LIKE, A 401K. AND I WORK WITH
THREE ATTORNEYS, AND I JUST DO BANKRUPTCY
ALL DAY LONG, AND WE REPRESENT
ALL THE FEDERAL CLAIMS THAT WOULD BE
IN THE BANKRUPTCY COURT, INCLUDING CLAIMS FOR RESTITUTION
FOR CRIMINALS OR TAXES, STUDENT LOANS,
SOCIAL SECURITY OVERPAYMENTS, V.A. OVERPAYMENTS, ANYTIME THAT YOU MAY INCUR,
LIKE, A FEDERAL DEBT. A SMALL BUSINESS LOAN,
OR A FARM HOME LOAN. IF YOU HAVE A MORTGAGE
WITH RURAL HOUSING. THAT KIND OF THING. THEN, WE HAVE THE ABILITY
TO BE ABLE TO GO IN AND DEFEND YOUR CLAIM
IN THE BANKRUPTCY COURT. SO, IN RELATION TO THAT,
I HAD TO BECOME FAMILIAR WITH THE UNITED STATES BANKRUPTCY CODE,
TITLE 28 OF THE UNITED STATES CODE, AND TITLE 26, WHICH IS
THE INTERNAL REVENUE CODE. AND THEN, WORKING WITH
THOSE THREE ATTORNEYS– I HAVE A LEGAL ASSISTANT
THAT WORKS WITH ME, AND THEN, SAM IS A STUDENT
THAT WORKS WITH ME. AND THEN, WE WORK AS A TEAM… AND WE PROCESS THE CASES
ON A BEHALF OF THE UNITED STATES.>>I’LL ASK THAT YOU GUYS SPEAK
MORE DIRECTLY IN THE MICROPHONE. WE’RE VIDEOTAPING THIS.
>>OH, OKAY.>>HI, MY NAME
IS SHARON TUREK. I’M AN ATTORNEY WITH
THE FEDERAL PUBLIC DEFENDER’S OFFICE, UM, AND WE ARE ALWAYS GOING
AGAINST THE U.S. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE. BUT ANYONE WHO IS CHARGED
WITH A FEDERAL CRIME AND CANNOT AFFORD
AN ATTORNEY, THEY’LL BE APPOINTED–
OR ASSIGNED TO OUR OFFICE, AND THEN, OUR OFFICE
WILL EITHER TAKE THE CASE, OR, IN SOME CASES, WE HAVE TO ASSIGN THE CASE
TO SOMEONE OUTSIDE OUR OFFICE, PERHAPS BECAUSE OF A CONFLICT OF INTEREST
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, BUT WE DO A LOT OF DRUG CASES,
FELONY, FIREARM, A LOT OF FRAUD CASES. BANK FRAUD, BANK ROBBERIES,
IMMIGRATION CASES. UM, WE LOOK AT OUR OFFICE
AS A LAW FIRM THAT IS SPECIALIZING
IN FEDERAL CRIMINAL CASES. WE HANDLE MORE THAN
350 CASES A YEAR, AND WE HAVE
TEN ATTORNEYS. UM, ONE– WE HAVE AN OFFICE
HERE IN GRAND RAPIDS– OUR MAIN OFFICE. THEN, WE ALSO HAVE AN OFFICE
UP IN MARQUETTE, MICHIGAN. UM, THE WAY THE WESTERN DISTRICT
IS CUT OUT, IT’S BASICALLY–
IF YOU DREW A LINE, UM, YOU KNOW… I GUESS A LITTLE EAST
OF LANSING, OVER, AND THEN, ALL OF THE UPPER PENINSULA–
THAT’S THE WESTERN DISTRICT, BASICALLY. UM, I THINK THERE ARE 34 COUNTIES
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO, IT COULD BE A DRUG CASE
MAYBE OUT OF THE COLDWATER AREA OF KALAMAZOO
OR TRAVERSE CITY… UM, WE MIGHT GET THE CALL. UH, IT’S–
UM, WE DO– IT’S NOT JUST AN OFFICE
OF ATTORNEYS. WE RELY ON A LOT OF SUPPORT STAFF
TO HELP US DO OUR JOBS. ONE OF MY PARALEGALS,
PAM, IS HERE TODAY. UH, WE HAVE PARALEGAL STAFF,
WE HAVE INVESTIGATIVE STAFF. WE HAVE TWO FULL-TIME
INVESTIGATORS. WE HAVE OTHER SUPPORT STAFF,
I.T. STAFF, ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF… THAT, YOU KNOW,
HELPS US RUN THE LAW FIRM. OUR PARALEGALS
AND INVESTIGATORS– THEY HAVE A LOT
OF CLIENT CONTACT. UM, A LOT OF TIMES–
WELL, MOST OF THE TIME, OUR CLIENTS ARE UP
AT THE NEWAYGO COUNTY JAIL, WHICH IS WHERE THE MARSHALLS
KEEP OUR GUYS, IF THEY’RE DETAINED. SO, THERE’S SOME TRAVEL
WITH THE JOB. BUT IT’S ALWAYS INTERESTING… AND ANYONE WORKING AT THE OFFICE
WILL TELL YOU THAT. YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU’RE GOING
TO BE ASKED TO DO FROM DAY TO DAY. WE TRY TO KEEP A GOOD
ATMOSPHERE IN THE OFFICE BECAUSE THE JOB
CAN BE STRESSFUL. WE GET– WE’RE WORKING, SOMETIMES,
MORE HIGH PROFILE CASES AND BECAUSE THERE IS THE DEATH PENALTY
IN THE FEDERAL SYSTEM, WE DO GET DEATH PENALTY CASES
FROM TIME TO TIME. SO, WE TRY TO KEEP
A GOOD OFFICE. AND SOME OF YOU, IF YOU HAPPEN
TO BE OVER AT THE SPECTRUM THEATER DURING ARTPRIZE, YOU SAW OUR ARTPRIZE
SUBMISSION. AND WE JUST TRY
TO DO THINGS LIKE THAT TO KEEP A GOOD OFFICE
ATMOSPHERE. SO, I THINK THAT–
WELL, I GUESS AS FAR AS MY CAREER PATH, UM, I STARTED OUT–
SEVERAL YEARS AGO NOW– BUT I STARTED IN ADVERTISING
AND PUBLIC RELATIONS. MY DEGREE WAS IN ENGLISH
AND JOURNALISM. AND I DID SOME GRANT WRITING
FOR A WHILE. UH, I DID SOME WORK FOR PRENTICE HALL
AS AN EDITOR FOR A WHILE. AND THEN, I DECIDED TO GO TO
LAW SCHOOL ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AFTER I HAD GRADUATED
FROM COLLEGE. AND, SO, I’VE BEEN AT
THE FEDERAL PUBLIC DEFENDER’S OFFICE SINCE IT OPENED, AND WE OPENED
OUR DOORS IN 1995. UM, IT WAS ‘96 WHEN
WE ACTUALLY ADDED STAFF. BUT BEFORE THAT POINT,
THE COURT USED TO APPOINT JUST A NUMBER OF ATTORNEYS
FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM THE LOCAL COMMUNITY, WHO THEY HAD APPROVED
FOR HANDLING FEDERAL CASES– AND WE STILL DO WORK A LOT
WITH THOSE ATTORNEYS. THEY’RE PART OF WHAT WE CALL
OUR “PANEL ATTORNEYS,” BECAUSE,
AS I INDICATED EARLIER, A LOT OF TIMES, WE’LL HAVE
A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN A CASE. FOR EXAMPLE, THE U.S. ATTORNEY MAY
INDICT TEN PEOPLE IN ONE DRUG CASE. WE CAN ONLY REPRESENT
ONE OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS, AND THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS
WHO MAY NEED COURT-APPOINTED COUNSEL WOULD GET COUNSEL
FROM THE PANEL.>>GOOD AFTERNOON,
EVERYBODY. I’M JIM WEITZEL–
I’M WITH THE DEFENSE LOGISTICS AGENCY. MY PIECE IS– OR MY AGENCY IS
DISPOSITION SERVICES. WE’RE HEADQUARTERED
IN BATTLE CREEK, MICHIGAN. THE DEFENSE LOGISTICS AGENCY,
AS A WHOLE, IS A HUGE ORGANIZATION– ABOUT 26,000 PEOPLE
WORLDWIDE, 48 STATES, AND SOMETHING–
26 OR 28 COUNTRIES, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WHAT WE DO IS…
WE ARE THE SUPPLIERS FOR THE SERVICES. WE SUPPLY EVERYTHING
FROM FOOD AND WATER TO REPAIRABLE PARTS
AND WEAPON SYSTEMS. I MEAN, JUST THE WHOLE GAMUT. DISPOSITION SERVICES
ITSELF IS KIND OF THE “SANFORD AND SON,”
IF YOU WILL. UM, WE COLLECT ALL THE MATERIALS
AFTER THE SERVICES HAVE USED ‘EM. UM, A COUPLE OF THE PROCESSES
WE GO THROUGH AFTER WE COLLECT ‘EM IS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE
THAT THE MATERIALS ARE SAFE TO EITHER DESTROY OR
TO RESALE TO THE PUBLIC. UM, WE CALL THAT
“DEMILITARIZATION.” YOU KNOW, WE DON’T WANT TO RELEASE
F-14 PARTS TO THE PUBLIC, OF COURSE. WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF POSITIONS
AVAILABLE WITHIN D.L.A. WE GO FROM LABORERS
AND MATERIAL HANDLERS, YOU KNOW, EQUIPMENT OPERATORS,
MANAGEMENT ANALYSTS, PROPERTY DISPOSAL SPECIALISTS,
ENVIRONMENTALISTS. YOU KNOW, LITERALLY, WE HAVE JUST
ABOUT EVERYTHING WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION. IT’S REALLY A NEAT PLACE
TO GET INTO. UM, DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE–
I DID ABOUT 23 YEARS WITH THE NAVY BEFORE I CAME TO D.L.A.,
SO IT JUST KIND OF FIT FOR ME. IT ABSOLUTELY KEEPS YOU IN TOUCH WITH
WHAT OUR PEOPLE ARE DOING OVERSEAS. UM, AGAIN, MY CAREER–
I GO BACK A FEW YEARS. DID 23 YEARS
WITH THE NAVY. JOINED D.L.A. HERE
IN 2008-2009 I GUESS. NOW, I’M THE CORPORATE
CADRE PROGRAM MANAGER. UM, WE GO OUT TO A BUNCH
OF THESE JOB FAIRS. WE KINDA–
YOU KNOW, MY JOB IS TO MARKET D.L.A., LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT WE DO. AND I’LL TELL YA THAT IT’S KIND
OF THE SUPER-SECRET STUFF, BECAUSE EVERYBODY–
EVERY TIME I ASK SOMEBODY, “DO YOU KNOW WHAT D.L.A. IS?”
I GET THE “DEER IN THE HEADLIGHTS” LOOK. SO, I KNOW
I’VE GOT A LOT TO DO. IT IS ABSOLUTELY
A NEAT ORGANIZATION. THAT’S ABOUT IT FOR ME,
I THINK.>>’AFTERNOON–
MY NAME IS ROBERT YOUNG. I’M A UNITED STATES CUSTOMS
AND BORDER PROTECTION OFFICER. UM, I’M HERE IN GRAND RAPIDS–
THERE’S ONLY THREE OF US HERE. IT’S A SMALLER OFFICE. I GUESS TO FIND– YOU KNOW, TO LOOK BACK,
TO FIND MYSELF IN THIS CAREER, AFTER–
WELL, I STARTED IN 1984. I GREW UP, YOU KNOW,
JUST UP THE ROAD HERE, NOT TOO FAR. UM, NEVER REALLY HAD ANY IDEA
WHAT “CUSTOMS” WAS, OR “BORDER.” I JUST WENT TO COLLEGE
WITH THE IDEA OF FINDING SOMETHING THAT WAS INTERESTING TO DO. I WOULD PROBABLY… YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE YOU
TO FIND SOMETHING YOU LIKE DOING. SOMETHING THAT’S INTERESTING
TO YOU. A LOT OF PEOPLE ASK, “WELL,
WHAT TYPE OF COURSES SHOULD I TAKE?” OR “WHAT TYPES OF THINGS SHOULD I DO”
FOR CERTAIN CAREERS, AND I GUESS I WOULD HAVE TO SAY,
BASED ON MY EXPERIENCE, DO SOMETHING
THAT YOU ENJOY. YOU’RE GONNA BE DOING IT
FOR A LONG TIME. YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON’T LIKE ACCOUNTING,
DON’T BECOME AN ACCOUNTING MAJOR BECAUSE YOU THINK MAYBE AN AGENCY
MIGHT HIRE YOU BECAUSE OF THAT. DO SOMETHING THAT YOU’RE PASSIONATE ABOUT,
THAT YOU ENJOY. IN MY CASE, I’VE BEEN VERY BLESSED
TO GO AROUND THE WORLD, DIFFERENT PLACES. UM, I STARTED IN CHICAGO. I WAS WORKING ON A GRADUATE DEGREE
AT THE TIME, AND I GOT A CALL
FOR A JOB. SO I SAID,
“OKAY, I’LL TAKE THE JOB.” UM, I WORKED IN LOREDO, TEXAS. I WORKED ON THE SOUTHERN BORDER
FOR A WHILE. I WAS A DOG HANDLER–
CANINE OFFICER. AND AT THAT TIME,
YOU KNOW, DRUG SMUGGLING WAS A VERY IMPORTANT ENFORCEMENT STRATEGY
FOR OUR GOVERNMENT, ESPECIALLY AT THE BORDER. IT STILL IS, BUT OBVIOUSLY,
TEN YEARS AGO, WE WERE ATTACKED. THINGS CHANGED WITHIN
OUR GOVERNMENT STRUCTURE A BIT, AND WE REALIZED THAT WE HAD
TO HAVE A PRETTY FORMAL WAY OF DEALING
WITH TERRORISTS, PREVENTING TERRORIST WEAPONS
OF MASS DESTRUCTION, MASS EFFECT, WHATEVER ONE
WANTS TO CALL IT, FROM ENTERING OUR COUNTRY,
SO PEOPLE WOULDN’T HURT US AGAIN. SO, ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO,
THEY SHIFTED– I KNOW I’VE JUMPED AHEAD
A LITTLE BIT HERE, BUT IT’S NOW CALLED
“THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY.” WITHIN THAT, THE BORDER AGENCIES
OF CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION HAVE CUSTOMS OFFICERS
AT THE PORTS, AT THE BORDERS, WHERE PEOPLE LEGITIMATELY
ENTER THE COUNTRY. AND WE HAVE BORDER PATROL AGENTS WHERE PEOPLE DON’T COME
INTO THE COUNTRY LAWFULLY. UM, SO,
THE MAIN MISSION IS PREVENTING TERRORISTS
AND WEAPONS OF TERRORISM. BUT WITHIN THAT, WE’RE OVERLAID ON WHATEVER THE THREAT
MIGHT BE WE’RE ASKED TO PREVENT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT BE DRUGS
OR BIOLOGICAL THINGS OR SOMETHING AS BENIGN
AS AN AGRICULTURAL PEST THAT COULD WREAK A LOT OF HAVOC
COMING INTO OUR COUNTRY. BUT IF WE CAN GO BACK,
I WAS IN LOREDO, TEXAS, AS A CANINE OFFICER
IN THE 80s. DRUGS WERE OUR MAIN FOCUS. UM, I TRANSFERRED TO MONTANA,
‘CAUSE I WANTED TO LIVE THERE. IT WAS ON MY LIST
OF THINGS TO DO. I WAS FORTUNATE
TO GET THAT. UM, BECAME A SENIOR INSPECTOR
AND A SUPERVISOR. THEN I SERVED A THREE-YEAR DIPLOMATIC POST
IN TORONTO, ONTARIO. MY WIFE WORKED
FOR THE CONSULATE THERE. AND THEN, I WAS ABLE
TO GO TO HEADQUARTERS ON BRIEF, TEMPORARY-DUTY
ASSIGNMENTS. I WENT TO AFRICA AND SOUTH AMERICA
AND RUSSIA AND EUROPE A COUPLE TIMES. AND I’M JUST FROM BIG RAPIDS. I WAS JUST A KID THAT GREW UP,
UP THE ROAD. UM, I’M NOT SAYING THAT
TO IMPRESS YOU. I’M SAYING THAT SO THAT YOU REALIZE
THERE’S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY WITH FEDERAL EMPLOYMENT
TO DO MANY THINGS YOU WANT. UM, IF YOU’RE OPEN
TO LEARNING NEW THINGS, DEVELOPING SKILL SETS THAT WILL
MAKE YOU VALUABLE TO YOUR AGENCY OR WHATEVER ORGANIZATION
YOU END UP WITH, REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE SKY IS REALLY
THE LIMIT ON WHAT YOU CAN DO. YOU WON’T BECOME PROBABLY WEALTHY
WORKING FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, BUT YOU’D HAVE
A COMFORTABLE LIFE, YOU’D HAVE A SECURE LIFE…
IN THAT, WE DON’T GET LAID OFF, WE DON’T GET DOWNSIZED, WE’RE FAIRLY INSULATED FROM
A LOT OF ECONOMIC CONDITIONS. THAT SOUNDS
A LITTLE ARROGANT, BUT IT’S SOMETHING THINK ABOUT,
YOU KNOW, IN THIS CLIMATE. UM, SO, AFTER HEADQUARTERS
AND DIFFERENT THINGS, I WENT BACK
INTO THE FIELD OF– I WAS THE OFFICER
IN CHARGE OF SALT LAKE CITY, AND I WAS KIND OF PROUD
THAT I WAS ONLY 31 YEARS OLD WHEN I GOT THE O.I.C. JOB UM, AND THAT WAS GOOD. I WAS ON A CAREER PATH. I’D DONE A LOT OF THINGS AND WORKED HARD,
HAD A LOT OF SUCCESSES, UM, MADE SOME SACRIFICES
FOR OUR FAMILY, AND THEN, WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY
TO COME BACK HOME, SO I DID. I TOOK A THREE GRADE BUS,
SO TO SPEAK. I KINDA HAD A CHANGE IN WHAT
I WANTED TO DO OUT OF MY WORK LIFE. UM, MY PARENTS ARE BACK HERE,
MY FAMILY IS BACK HERE, SO I TOOK GRAND RAPIDS, MICHIGAN,
OF ALL PLACES. UM, BUT I’M HAPPY THERE. SO, THERE’S QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES
YOU NEED TO CONSIDER WITH WHAT YOU DO
FOR LIFE, FOR WORK. WHEN IT COMES RIGHT DOWN TO IT,
LOOKING BACK, YOU KNOW, YOUR JOB ISN’T YOUR IDENTITY,
REALLY– IT’S A MEANS TO AN END. YOU SPEND WELL OVER
HALF YOUR LIFE DOING IT– YOU KNOW,
YOUR WAKING HOURS– YOU BETTER FIND SOMETHING
THAT YOU ENJOY DOING OR SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN
AT LEAST NOT DISLIKE, I SHOULD SAY. SO DON’T– SO, BACK TO WHERE I CAME
AND WHEN I SPOKE IN THE BEGINNING, MAKE SURE YOU DO A FIELD OF STUDY
THAT’S INTERESTING TO YOU. DON’T DO SOMETHING BECAUSE YOU THINK,
“BOY, I SHOULD LEARN ARABIC.” YOU KNOW,
THAT IS A VERY USEFUL SKILL. HOWEVER, THAT MAY NOT BE
THE TYPE OF THING YOU REALLY HAVE
A PASSION FOR. SO, THAT’S JUST
A WORD OF ADVICE. UM, I’LL PROBABLY WORK
ANOTHER TENS YEARS OR SO, JUST ‘CAUSE I DO ENJOY WHAT I DO,
WHERE I’M DOING IT. ONE THING ABOUT CUSTOMS
OR BORDER PROTECTION– ANY KIND OF JOB THAT,
BASICALLY– I THINK I’M CORRECT IN SAYING–
THAT YOU HAVE A GUN, YOU’RE GOING TO HAVE PROBABLY WHAT THEY
CALL “COVERED LAW ENFORCEMENT” STATUS. IT’S A DIFFERENT TYPE
OF RETIREMENT. UM, IT’S NOT NECESSARILY
A GREAT RETIREMENT, BUT THE THING TO THINK ABOUT–
THERE’S A MAXIMUM HIRING AGE. GENERALLY, YOU NEED TO BE IN
BY THE TIME YOU’RE 37, AND YOU NEED TO RETIRE
BY THE TIME YOU’RE 57. I GET TO WORK A LONG TIME,
‘CAUSE I WAS IN BEFORE THOSE RULES. HOWEVER, THAT’S SOMETHING
TO THINK ABOUT NOW IF YOU’RE, YOU KNOW,
APPROACHING THAT STAGE OF LIFE. YOU’RE A NON-TRADITIONAL STUDENT,
YOU’VE COME FROM THE MILITARY, WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE,
DON’T WAIT AROUND. YOU KNOW, BE ACTIVE
ABOUT WHAT YOU’RE DOING, ‘CAUSE YOU CERTAINLY WOULDN’T
WANT TO RUN OUT OF YEARS… ‘CAUSE IT’S A GREAT CAREER. AND I THINK THAT’S FAIRLY TRUE FOR
ANYTHING THAT’S ARMED, GENERALLY. THERE ARE POSITIONS THAT DON’T
HAVE THAT AGE RESTRICTION– AN AGRICULTURE SPECIALIST
IS AN EXAMPLE. UM, KEEPING PESTS AND BUGS
AND FRUITS AND DISEASES THAT MIGHT HAVE HARMFUL THINGS–
THOSE DON’T HAVE A GUN, THEREFORE THEY DON’T HAVE
THE SAME JOB SERIES. UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF FEDERAL
EMPLOYMENT AVAILABLE TO YOU, BUT IF YOU ARE IN ONE OF THE ENFORCEMENT,
ARMED-TYPE POSITIONS, JUST BE AWARE
THERE IS THAT 37 FLAG THAT YOU WOULDN’T BE ABLE
TO START A CAREER AFTER THAT. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
>>THANK YOU. MY NAME IS PAUL HARRIS. I’M A SPECIAL AGENT WITH
THE FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION… WORKING FROM– WORKING OUT
OF DOWNTOWN DETROIT. MY PARTNER COVERED… A NUMBER OF IMPORTANT TOPICS
OR ISSUES. AGE RANGE– WHEN SEVERAL STUDENTS
APPROACHED OUR TABLE TODAY WITH REGARDS TO,
“WHAT SHOULD I BE STUDYING?” I ECHO MY PARTNER. I DON’T WANT TO ADVISE YOU
TO STUDY JAPANESE OR A FOREIGN LANGUAGE. IF YOU PERFORM POORLY IN THAT SUBJECT,
NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU’RE COMING AFTER ME
TO LET THE AIR OUT OF MY BUREAU CAR. I DON’T WANT YOU
TO TAKE IT OUT ON ME. SO, BOTTOM LINE–
YOU FIND OUT. YOU DO A SELF-ASSESSMENT
WITH REGARDS TO, “WHAT FIELD OF STUDY
WILL I BE MOTIVATED TO DO MY BEST?” AND GO AFTER IT. NOW, MY OTHER LITTLE PIECE
OF ADVICE IS, YES, IF YOU WANT
TO MINOR IN SOMETHING, IF YOU WANT TO RECEIVE A CERTIFICATION
IN COMPUTERS OR IN A FOREIGN LANGUAGE, YES, GO AHEAD
AND DO THAT. BUT AS YOUR MAJOR FIELD OF STUDY,
ASK YOURSELF, “WHAT AM I MOST MOTIVATED TO DO… “THAT’S GOING TO INSPIRE ME
TO DO MY BEST “WHILE I’M ATTAINING
MY DEGREE?” MYSELF, I GREW UP IN EASTERN MICHIGAN,
OR WESTLAND, MICHIGAN. PLAYED QUARTERBACK
FOR EASTERN HIGH SCHOOL. STARTED OFF IN EASTERN
MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY, TRANSFERRED TO WESTERN
MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY WHERE I RECEIVED MY BACHELOR’S DEGREE
IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE, CONCENTRATION
IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. WHILE AT WESTERN
MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY, I DID MY INTERNSHIP
WITH THE KALAMAZOO POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHERE I WAS TOLD
BY ONE PARTICULAR OFFICER THAT I WAS TOO…
TOO NICE, TOO MUCH OF A CHRISTIAN, I WOULD
NEVER MAKE IT IN LAW ENFORCEMENT. I NEVER FORGOT
THOSE WORDS. AND I’LL SHARE THAT
WITH YOU IN A MINUTE. I RETURNED TO EASTERN
MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY WHERE I RECEIVED MY MASTER’S DEGREE
IN CRIMINOLOGY. I’VE TOLD SO MANY OTHER PEOPLE–
I’VE FELT AT THE AGE OF 12 THAT MY CALLING
WAS LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND AT THAT TIME,
ALTHOUGH I WAS THE– I AM THE SON
OF A MINISTER, I TRIED NOT TO FIGHT AS MUCH… NOT SAYING I WAS PROUD
OF THE LITTLE FISTICUFFS I WAS INVOLVED IN. UM, BUT, SERIOUSLY, WHEN I REALIZED
THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT, I BELIEVED,
WAS MY CALLING, I TRIED TO BE MORE
LAW-ABIDING. I TRIED TO DO WELL
WITH REGARDS TO MY ACADEMICS. I TRIED TO BE MORE OBEDIENT
TO MY MOTHER, ‘CAUSE MY DAD PASSED AWAY WHEN I WAS
ABOUT SEVEN YEARS, FOUR MONTHS OLD. BUT THE POINT IS, I JUST FELT
LAW ENFORCEMENT WAS FOR ME. AND THAT’S WHY I CHALLENGE
THOSE WHO COME TO OUR TABLE, OR PROBABLY ANYONE’S TABLE,
REALLY ASK YOURSELF, “IS WHAT I’M INQUIRING ABOUT,”
IS IT YOU? AND I TELL INDIVIDUALS
WHO COME TO VISIT ME FACE-TO-FACE, I DON’T WANT TO HEAR THAT,
“HEY, MY PROFESSOR, MY PARENTS, “MY RELATIVES… “THOUGHT I WOULD BE SUITED
FOR THIS POSITION.” I WANT TO HEAR
ABOUT YOU. WHAT’S THE INSIDE? WHAT ARE YOUR INSIDES
TELLING YOU? LIKE I TOLD SOME OF YOU OTHER STUDENTS,
WHEN WE’RE ABOUT TO GO DOWN, OR WE’RE ABOUT TO ARREST
A COLD-BLOODED KILLER, I’M NOT LOOKING OVER
MY SHOULDER AND ASKING, “DID YOU GRADUATE
FROM HARVARD OR YALE?” I JUST WANT TO KNOW, AT THAT JUNCTURE,
“ARE YOU WILLING TO COVER MY SIX?” IT’S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. IF YOU FEEL THAT, “I’M LITTLE SQUIRMISH
IF I HAVE TO CARRY A WEAPON.” AND YES, I DO CARRY,
AS I’VE TOLD SO MANY OF YOU TODAY, I DO CARRY A WEAPON
WHEN I GO TO CHURCH. SOME MAY BE SURPRISED
AT THAT. “A GUN IN CHURCH?” YES. IT’S NOT SO MUCH I’M CONCERNED
ABOUT THE CONGREGATION. WHAT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT… IS THE OPPORTUNITY
OF AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS OUTSIDE, WAITING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF
A READY-MADE A.T.M. ON SUNDAY. SUNDAY’S COLLECTION. WE’VE TAKEN AN OATH TO SERVE
AND PROTECT YOU ALL. IT’S NOT A SELECTIVE TIME FRAME–
IT’S 24-7. AND KNOWING I’VE TAKEN
THAT OATH, THEN YES, I WILL HAVE
THAT WEAPON ON ME WHEN I GO TO SERVICE, WHEN TO THE CORNER OR THE EDGE
OF MY DRIVEWAY TO TAKE OUT THE TRASH. ALL RIGHT. SO, IF YOU FEEL THAT, “I DON’T WANT
TO DEAL WITH THAT WEAPON,” THEN, FOR THE F.B.I., WE HAVE
THE PROFESSIONAL SUPPORT SIDE. AND I’VE SHARED WITH
SO MANY OF YOU ALREADY, IF YOU LOOK ON THE WEBSITE,
FBIJOBS.GOV, CLICK ON THE “PROFESSIONAL CAREER STAFF,”
SURF THROUGH THAT WEBSITE, AND TRY TO IDENTIFY A POSITION YOU THINK
WOULD MATCH UP TO YOUR BACKGROUND. YOUR BACKGROUND, WHICH ENTAILS
YOUR ACADEMICS, YOUR WORK EXPERIENCE, BUT, MOST IMPORTANTLY,
YOUR MOTIVATION. BECAUSE THOSE BECOME
AFFILIATED WITH THE F.B.I., YOU’RE NOT DOING SO
JUST BECAUSE IT’S A JOB. IT’S A STEPPING STONE. MOSTLY, THOSE WHO COME
WILL BECOME INVOLVED WITH THE F.B.I., DO SO BECAUSE
IT’S A CAREER. AND ONCE YOU HAVE
YOUR FOOT IN THE DOOR, ESPECIALLY ON THE PROFESSIONAL
SUPPORT SIDE, YOU’RE GOING TO REALIZE THAT THERE
ARE A PLETHORA OF OPPORTUNITIES… ONCE YOU’RE ON-BOARD. I DON’T CARE IF YOU HAVE TO START OFF
AS A SWITCHBOARD OPERATOR. DO SO. THAT BACKGROUND HAS BEEN COMPLETED,
YOU’RE NOW AFFILIATED WITH US, I’M SURE, OVER TIME,
ONCE YOU’VE PROVEN YOUR WORK ETHIC, OTHER OPPORTUNITIES
WILL AVAIL THEMSELVES. AND THOSE OF YOU, AS MY PARTNER ALLUDED TO
WITH REGARDS TO THE AGE RANGE, THAT 23 TO 36? THOSE OF YOU WHO KNOW THAT,
“HEY, I STILL HAVE TIME “IF I WANT TO CONVERT OVER
TO A SPECIAL AGENT.” LET’S SAY, YOU COME ON BOARD
ON THE PROFESSIONAL SUPPORT SIDE, AND YOU FEEL THAT, “I’VE ACQUIRED
THE THREE YEAR PROFESSIONAL “PERTINENT FULL-TIME
WORK EXPERIENCE, “THAT I’M NOW ELIGIBLE FOR
THE SPECIAL AGENT POSITION,” GO AHEAD AND APPLY FOR
THE SPECIAL AGENT POSITION. BUT UNDERSTAND… AND THIS IS WHAT
I TRY TO DIFFERENTIATE. I TRY TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN
PROFESSIONAL SUPPORT, SPECIAL AGENT. PROFESSIONAL SUPPORT–
YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO NOT ONLY IDENTIFY THE ROLE
YOU WOULD LIKE TO CARRY OUT ON THE PROFESSIONAL SUPPORT SIDE
WITH THE F.B.I. YOU ALSO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO SELECT YOUR DESIRED LOCATION. THAT’S ON THE PROFESSIONAL
SUPPORT SIDE. BEING A SPECIAL AGENT,
WE DON’T HAVE THAT LIBERTY. YOU COME IN UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN
YOU GO THROUGH THAT 21 WEEK COURSE AT THE F.B.I. ACADEMY
IN QUANTICO, VIRGINIA, NEXT THE MARINE BASE,
YOU UNDERSTAND– PLEASE UNDERSTAND– THAT YOU CAN BE RELOCATED ANYWHERE
THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY. AND THAT, RIGHT NOW, UNDER DIRECTORSHIP
OF DIRECTOR MUELLER, IF YOU ARE ASSIGNED–
IF YOUR INITIAL ASSIGNMENT IS TO A SMALL… DIVISION,
SUCH AS PITTSBURGH, AND AFTER– NOW IT’S FOUR YEARS–
AFTER FOUR YEARS, YOU WILL BE RELOCATED. BUT THAT’S UNDER
THE CURRENT DIRECTOR. I’VE TOLD SO– I CONTINUE TO TELL
SO MANY INTERESTED CANDIDATES– I DON’T KNOW, IN THE NEXT
LESS THAN TWO YEARS, WHO THE NEW DIRECTOR
OF THE F.B.I.’S GOING TO BE. I DON’T THINK ANY
OF MY COWORKERS KNOW. SO, WITH THAT BEING SAID,
THIS NEW DIRECTOR MAY HAVE HIS OR HER OWN PHILOSOPHY
WHEN THEY TAKE OVER. THIS INDIVIDUAL MAY COME IN
AND SAY, “YOU KNOW WHAT? “I WANT THESE NEW AGENTS
TO BE RELOCATED EVERY THREE YEARS.” AND THEN, WHEN PEOPLE ASK,
“WELL, WHAT SHOULD I BE STUDYING?” I DON’T KNOW. AGAIN, I’VE ALREADY
GIVEN YOU MY SPIEL. AGAIN, GOING BACK TO MY PARTNER–
STUDY SOMETHING THAT– BECAUSE A NEW DIRECTOR
MAY COME IN AND SAY– NOW, UNDER THE CURRENT DIRECTOR,
DIRECTOR MUELLER, HE’S MORE– IN TERMS OF SPECIFICITY,
HE LOOKS WHAT HE CALLS “CRITICAL SKILLS.” ENGINEERING, COMPUTERS, YOUR ABILITY
TO SPEAK A FOREIGN LANGUAGE, ACCOUNTING,
AND LAW. AND EVEN WITH LAW, I THINK
WASHINGTON HAS STIPULATED THAT YOU NEED A MINIMUM
OF TWO YEARS LITIGATION EXPERIENCE. THIS NEW DIRECTOR MAY COME IN
AND SAY, “YOU KNOW WHAT? “I WANT TO LOOK AT THOSE WHO HAVE
A BACKGROUND IN SOCIAL WORK. “EDUCATION. “MILITARY.” YOU UNDERSTAND? SO, THAT’S WHY I’M LEERY
TO PUT OUT OR TRY TO ADVISE, “YEAH, YOU DEFINITELY NEED
TO STUDY A FOREIGN LANGUAGE.” DON’T KNOW. IS IT CRITICAL
RIGHT NOW? YES, UNDER THE CURRENT
DIRECTOR MUELLER. I KNOW PRESIDENT OBAMA
ASKED DIRECTOR MUELLER TO STAY ON
AN ADDITIONAL TWO YEARS. BUT WITH THE NEW DIRECTOR
COMING IN? NOT SURE. ON THE PROFESSIONAL
SUPPORT SIDE, YOUR SALARY CAN RANGE
FROM ENTRY-LEVEL, MAYBE AT $30,000, AND I’M HEARING
IT CAN GO UP– I JUST FOUND OUT A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO,
IT CAN GO UP HIGHER THAN A SPECIAL AGENT. WE, AS SPECIAL AGENTS, WHILE WE GOING TO THE F.B.I. ACADEMY,
21 WEEK COURSE, OUR SALARY IS AROUND… I THINK, $57,000. WHEN WE GET OUT
OF THE ACADEMY, WE ARE ASSIGNED
TO OUR FIRST FIELD DIVISION, YOUR SALARY BUMPS UP
TO ABOUT $74,600. IN FIVE YEARS, NO MATTER
WHERE YOU’RE ASSIGNED, YOU’RE MAKING
OVER SIX FIGURES. THAT’S FOR THE SPECIAL AGENT. RIGHT NOW, THE F.B.I. HAS APPROXIMATELY,
IN TERMS OF SPECIAL AGENTS, 13,000 OF US. BROTHERS AND SISTERS
THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. OF THOSE 13,000, I WOULD SAY APPROXIMATELY
2,419 ARE FEMALES. IN TERMS OF PROFESSIONAL SUPPORT,
WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 30,0000. SO, WHEN YOU LOOK
AT THE F.B.I. FAMILY, YOU’RE LOOKING AT OVER 40,000
BROTHERS AND SISTERS IN THE F.B.I. NOW, WHAT I TRY
TO REMIND CANDIDATES, ESPECIALLY THOSE WHO HAVE EXPRESSED
AN INTEREST IN BEING AN AGENT, YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, I MAY ASK INTENTIONALLY
ABOUT YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER. AND THE REASON BEING IS, BECAUSE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY,
I HAVE A READY-MADE FAMILY. I’VE DONE TEMPORARY DUTY
ASSIGNMENTS IN WASHINGTON. AND IT WAS A BLESSING WHEN THE UNIT CHIEF
WANTED ME TO COME AND TAKE A JOB. I FELT HONORED. HOWEVER, MY BRIDE, GOING ON 25 YEARS,
DOES NOT LIKE WASHINGTON D.C. SHE SAID THE TRAFFIC
IS TOO CONGESTED, TOO FAST. AND THOSE OF US
WHO AREN’T MARRIED, I’M SURE WE KNOW THE ADAGE,
“HAPPY WIFE, HAPPY LIFE.” AND RIGHT NOW, MY BRIDE IS HAPPY
BEING BACK HOME AND AROUND HER FAMILY. IF THERE’S A TEMPORARY DUTY ASSIGNMENT,
I’LL DO IT, COME BACK, AND MY BRIDE
IS DEFINITELY REWARDED, BECAUSE SHE ALLOWED ME,
OR AT LEAST AGREED, “YES, YOU CAN GO
ON THAT ASSIGNMENT.” SO, BEAR IN MIND, THOSE OF YOU
WHO WANT TO BECOME AGENTS, UNDERSTAND
YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER’S POSITION. WHEREAS WE HAVE
THE READY-MADE FAMILY, IF YOU’RE RELOCATED
TO A DIFFERENT STATE, YOUR WIFE OR
YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER MAY NOT HAVE INDIVIDUALS
THAT THEY KNOW. SO THEY MAY BE LONELY. SO, TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT. UNDERSTAND YOU NEED TO CONTINUE
TO DATE YOUR BRIDE OR YOUR HUSBAND. YES, WE WORK
SOME LONG HOURS. BUT WHEN PEOPLE ASK,
“HEY, CAN YOU STILL HAVE A FAMILY?” YES, YOU CAN. YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN. I’D TELL ANY INDIVIDUAL,
“I’M STILL LIVING THE DREAM.” AFTER ALMOST 15 YEARS–
COME FEBRUARY 2nd– STILL LIVING THE DREAM. DONE THINGS
THAT I USED TO IMAGINE, JUST USED TO THINK ABOUT…
BEING ASKED BY A FORMER SWAT TEAM– I’M NOT SWAT– I’VE BEEN ASKED TO
TRY OUT FOR SWAT, MORE THAN ONCE. I HAVE NO DESIRE. BUT I THANK GOD I’VE BEEN INVOLVED
IN SWAT-LIKE OPERATIONS. IN TERMS OF HELPING
THE FORMER SWAT TEAM LEADER TAKE DOWN A COLD-BLOODED KILLER
WHO STOOD 6’3”, 340 POUNDS. I TOLD PAUL,
“HE’S KILL–” HE SAID,
“PAUL, HE’S KILLED ONE. “WE JUST DON’T KNOW HOW
MANY OTHERS HE’S KILLED.” BUT THANK GOD WE TOOK HIM DOWN
WITH NO INCIDENT. AND YES, I DO NOT GO OUT
BLABBING TO MY BRIDE, “YEAH, WE’RE ABOUT TO TAKE DOWN
THIS COLD-BLOODED KILLER,” SO THAT COULD RUN
HER BLOOD PRESSURE UP. THERE HAVE BEEN TIMES
WHERE SHE’LL SEE ME ON THE NEWS AND SAY, “BOY, THAT GUY
YOU HAD HAND-CUFFED, “HE WAS BIGGER THAN YOU.” YES, HE WAS. HE WAS. BUT AT LEAST I’M COMING HOME
SAFELY, OKAY? I APPRECIATE YOU ALL
LISTENING TO US. TO ME. (all laughing)>>THANK YOU–
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY’D LIKE
TO ASK THE GROUP?>>OVER HERE–
THERE’S SOMEBODY. >>I WAS WONDERING,
IN THE FEDERAL SERVICE–>>EXCUSE ME, I JUST NEED YOU
TO USE THE MICROPHONE, OKAY?>>I WAS JUST WONDERING, IN THE SERVICES,
HOW RETIREMENT WORKS, YOU KNOW? UM, I HAD A BUSI– I WAS IN BUSINESS HERE
FOR YEARS, IT WENT UNDER, AND I WAS GOING TO HAVE THAT
AS MY RETIREMENT. SO, I’M LOOKING
TO GET INTO SOMETHING THAT I’LL BE ABLE TO PROVIDE
WHAT I HAVE TO OFFER, BUT AT THE SAME TIME,
WHEN I’M READY TO RETIRE, HAS SOMETHING FOR ME AS WELL,
YOU KNOW?>>YOU’LL BRING IT UP FIRST,
IN CIVIL SERVICE– MAY I SPEAK TO IT
FOR A MOMENT? UM, IT DEPENDS A LITTLE BIT
ON WHAT JOB SERIES YOU’RE IN. UM, IN A LOT OF THEM,
IT’S BASED ON LONGEVITY. AS AN EXAMPLE, YOU HAVE SO MANY YEARS
YOU WOULD GET, PERHAPS ONE PERCENT
OF YOUR HIGH THREE EARNING YEARS. SO, SAY YOU MADE $100,000 OR SOMETHING,
YOU KNOW, AT YOUR HIGHEST POINT. YOUR RETIREMENT WOULD BE BASED
ON AN AVERAGE OF THOSE YEARS. AND SOME OF THEM
ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT GENERALLY, SAY YOU WOULD GET ONE PERCENT, OR, IF YOU WERE IN
A DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION, 1.7 OR 2.0 OR WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE,
PER YEAR, OF THAT. SO, SAY YOU MADE $100,000
AVERAGE IN YOUR HIGHEST, JUST ‘CAUSE THAT’S AN EASY THING TO MAKE–
ER, AN EASY THING TO CALCULATE, AND YOU WORKED 25 YEARS
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, YOU WOULD GET A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE
FOR EACH OF THOSE YEARS. IT’S PROBABLY MORE INVOLVED
THAN THAT, BUT–>>WELL, AND THEN,
THERE’S TWO OTHER LEGS. THAT’S THE PENSION PART. THEN THERE’S THE 401K, IS THE WAY
YOU GUYS WOULD LOOK AT IT– IT’S T.S.P. FOR THE GOVERNMENT. UM, IT’S–
AND IT’S EXACTLY THE SAME. IT’S AS VOLATILE
AS THE MARKET, ALL RIGHT? UM, AND THEN THE THIRD LEG
IS OUR SOCIAL SECURITY. UM, FIRST, IN 1984,
I GUESS IT WAS… ’84 OR ‘87– ONE OF THE TWO–
WHEN THEY ADOPTED THAT, IT IS OBVIOUSLY
TO SAVE SOME MONEY. THE OTHER THING
THEY’RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS THEY’RE THINKING ABOUT CHANGING
FROM HIGH THREE TO HIGH FIVE. THERE’S– YOU KNOW,
OUR PENSION SYSTEMS ARE UP IN FLUX JUST LIKE THE CORPORATE WORLD. UM, WHAT I WOULD I SUGGEST
IS YOU TAKE A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, MUCH LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE
HAS SAID, YOU GOTTA LOOK AND SEE EXACTLY
WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WANT IN THE FUTURE. UM, YOU CAN MORE TO YOUR T.S.P.,
YOU CAN DO YOUR OWN INVESTMENTS… SOCIAL SECURITY IS, YOU KNOW,
ALWAYS A QUESTION. THERE’S LOTS OF VARIABLES THAT ARE DEFINITELY QUESTION MARKS
IN MY MIND, YOU KNOW?>>ONE OF THE THINGS
WE TAKE FOR GRANTED, I THINK– AND SOMETIMES, WE NEED TO STOP
AND BE A BIT THANKFUL– WE WILL HAVE
A RETIREMENT. AS AN ENTREPRENEUR, YOU KNOW,
YOU PROBABLY PUT EVERYTHING YOU HAD INTO YOUR BUSINESS, AND THERE WASN’T A GUARANTEE
YOU WOULD GET SOMETHING BACK FROM THAT. UM, IN OUR CASE,
YOU KNOW, WE’RE NOT– AGAIN, WE DIDN’T ENTER THIS JOB
TO BECOME WEALTHY PEOPLE. YOU WOULD PROBABLY BECOME MUCH WEALTHIER
IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IF YOU LIKE
THE TYPE OF WORK– SERVING YOUR COUNTRY, ETCETERA–
YOU CAN RETIRE AT A CERTAIN TIME. MAYBE 30 YEARS OR SO. YOU’LL GET A PERCENTAGE
OF YOUR HIGH THREE OR HIGH FIVE. YOU’LL ALSO GET THE THRIFT SAVINGS PLAN,
AND FROM THE TIME YOU START– I WOULD OBVIOUSLY TELL PEOPLE– YOU CAN PUT UP TO TEN PERCENT
OF YOUR TAKE HOME PAY AWAY AND IF YOU START DOING THAT,
YOU REALLY DON’T MISS IT? AND THEY WILL MATCH IT
WITH UP TO FIVE PERCENT, AND THAT GAINS, YOU KNOW–
WE’RE NOT INVESTMENT GURUS, I DON’T WANNA KNOW
ABOUT THAT STUFF, WE JUST SEND IT
SOMEWHERE AND I LOOK AT A STATEMENT
ONCE IN A WHILE. BUT THAT’S ANOTHER PART OF IT. SO, SAY YOU COULD GET $30,000 A YEAR,
$40,000 A YEAR IN RETIREMENT,
BASED ON YOUR HIGH THREE, AND YOU MIGHT HAVE “X” AMOUNT OF DOLLARS
IN YOUR THRIFT SAVINGS ACCOUNT THAT YOU CAN DRAW,
AS AN ANNUITY. YOU CAN REINVEST, DO WHATEVER
YOU WANT TO, ONCE YOU SEPARATE, AND THEN, SOMEDAY, THERE’S THIS SPECTRE
OF SOCIAL SECURITY, WHICH IS THERE. YOU KNOW,
IT IS A PROGRAM. I THINK IN MY CASE, NOW, I’VE GOTTA GO TILL 67
OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, TO GET IT. UM, BUT–
SO, YOU HAVE THREE PRONGS THAT ARE GUARANTEED,
THAT ARE GOING TO BE THERE. IS THERE MORE PEOPLE
WANT TO ADD TO THAT?>>I THINK THAT ONE PERCENT PER YEAR–
AND ELLEN CAN CORRECT ME, IF I’M WRONG– IT MAXIMIZES WHEN
YOU’RE AT 41 YEARS. YOU DON’T EARN ANY ADDITIONAL PERCENTAGE
AFTER THAT. SO…>>AND THEN,
AS AN EXAMPLE, TOO, LIKE– YOU KNOW,
WE WERE FORTUNATE. NOW, LIKE, BORDER PATROL,
F.B.I., THE WHITE COLLAR, THE UNIFORMED DIVISION, HAS ALWAYS
HAD A LAW ENFORCEMENT RETIREMENT. IT’S A LITTLE BIT BETTER–
THEY HAVE TO GET OUT BY 57. BUT OURS, I THINK, IS 1.7 NOW
PER YEAR. USED TO BE 1.0. UM, THEY CHANGED THINGS AROUND,
YOU GET DIFFERENT STATUSES. SO, NOW FOR EVERY YEAR
THAT I’M PUTTING IN, I GET 1.7 OF MY HIGH THREE. AND IT DOESN’T SEEM
LIKE THAT MUCH, AND WE DIDN’T JOIN THE SERVICE
WITH THE IDEA THAT SOMEDAY,
“BOY, WE’D RETIRE,” BUT IT IS NICE
TO KNOW IT’S THERE. ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW–
I’M GETTING WITHIN A FEW YEARS OF IT. YOU HAD MENTIONED
YOU COULD BE CLOSE IF YOU WANTED TO BE,
I THINK.>>WELL, I’M GOING TO WORK
UNTIL I’M 59. I’LL HAVE MY 41 IN.
>>THAT’S GREAT. SO, ANYWAYS,
THERE IS A RETIREMENT. AND NO ONE
CAN TAKE THAT AWAY. THEY CAN CHANGE THE RULES
A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT’LL BE THERE. AND WE TAKE THAT
FOR GRANTED. WE SHOULD BE VERY THANKFUL,
I THINK, BEING FEDERAL EMPLOYEES. BY THE SAME TOKEN,
DON’T THINK, “OH, YOU’RE A FEDERAL EMPLOYEE–
YOU’VE GOT IT MADE.” WE WORK HARD–
WE DO A GOOD JOB. AND, UM, THERE WAS A TIME
THAT THE PRIVATE SECTOR WAS DOING VERY WELL. UM, WE WERE MAINTAINING. WE’RE STILL MAINTAINING, AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR’S
STRUGGLED THE LAST FEW YEARS. BUT IF SOMEONE WOULD SAY TO YOU,
“OH, THEY’RE A GOVERNMENT WORKER,” I TAKE A LOT OF OFFENSE TO THAT, ‘CAUSE WE WORK VERY HARD
AND WE DO A GOOD JOB, WE SERVE OUR COUNTRY. UM, AND I THINK THAT WE EARN
THE PAY THAT WE GET. I LIKE TO THINK
WE DO THAT.>>SOMETIMES, I GO TO
THE FEDERAL JOBS WEBSITES– >>”USA JOBS”?>>YES. IT WOULD TELL YOU
SECURITY CLEARANCE OR– IS THAT THE SAME AS– WELL,
SOME OTHER JOBS DON’T SAY THAT. SO, WHAT DOES THAT ENTAIL? YEAH, THERE’S SOME JOB SITES
THAT SAY YOU MUST HAVE
SECURITY CLEARANCE. SO, THAT MEANS THE SOCIAL SECURITY
IS NOT SUFFICIENT. SO, CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME..
WELL, IS IT FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE APPLYING
FOR INFORMATION SYSTEM JOBS?>>IT DEPENDS ON THE NATURE OF THE WORK
YOU’RE DOING AND THE JOB CLASSIFICATION. UM, IF YOU WERE DEALING WITH
NON-SENSITIVE INFORMATION– JUST GENERAL DATA– YOU MAY NOT HAVE TO HAVE
A SECURITY CLEARANCE. DOESN’T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO
WITH SOCIAL SECURITY. HAS TO DO WITH A BACKGROUND,
A BASIS OF INTEGRITY, A BASIS OF
“ARE YOU CLEARED TO DEAL WITH–” YOU PROBABLY HAD A TOP– HE WAS PROBABLY TOP SECRET,
‘CAUSE HE WAS NAVY. YOU KNOW, HE WAS DEALING
WITH MILITARY INFORMATION. SO, YOU HAD TO HAVE A HIGH LEVEL
OF CLEARANCE TO DO THAT. THAT’S WHAT
THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT. BUT I THINK A LOT OF IT WOULD SPEAK TO
A BACKGROUND INVESTIGATION. AT WHAT LEVEL MATERIAL
ARE YOU DEALING WITH? YOU MAY, IF YOU WORKED
IN THE WHITE HOUSE, YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A PRETTY
HIGH SECURITY CLEARANCE TO DO THAT… DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU’RE DOING.
>>THANK YOU.>>I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. I ACTUALLY CAME HERE
TO GET INFORMATION FOR MY KIDS, BUT, AS I’M LISTENING
TO YOU ALL SPEAK, ONE OF YOU HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING
ABOUT WHAT KIND OF WORK EXPERIENCE YOU’VE HAD IN THE PAST
VERSUS YOUR DEGREE. UM, I GUESS I’M GOING FOR A DEGREE
THAT’S TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I’D BEEN WORKING IN
FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS. UM, I COME FROM
A MENTAL HEALTH FIELD. I’VE WORKED IN A CRISIS HOME
FOR TEN YEARS FOR THE COUNTY, AND CURRENTLY, I AM WORKING ON
A BACHELOR’S DEGREE IN BUSINESS, WHICH I’LL GRADUATE
IN THE SPRING. JUST WONDERING,
JUST AS A GENERALIZED QUESTION, IS THERE ANYTHING WITH WHAT
MY EXPERIENCE VERSUS MY DEGREE, IS THERE ANYTHING IN YOUR FIELDS
THAT WOULD BE EQUIVALENT TO ANY JOBS FOR THAT?>>THERE’S ABSOLUTELY JOBS
AT D.L.A. UM, A MANAGEMENT
PROGRAM ANALYST. YOUR– THE EXPERIENCE THAT
YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE PAST, I THINK YOU CAN APPLY IT
TO JUST ABOUT ANY JOB. WHEN YOU GO AND GET A DEGREE
IN A NEW FIELD, ALL OF THAT STUFF THAT YOU’VE DONE
IN THE PAST DOESN’T GO AWAY. AND IT’S BUILT– IT BUILT YOU
TO WHERE YOU ARE TODAY. UM, JUST LIKE EVERYBODY’S
BEEN TALKING ABOUT, IT’S– YOU KNOW,
I GET UP IN THE MORNING– AND A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY,
“OH, I GOTTA GO TO WORK,” YOU KNOW? THAT’S A TERRIBLE WAY
TO LIVE LIFE. GET UP IN THE MORNING AND SAY,
“WHAT DO I GET TO GO TO WORK “AND DO TODAY?” YOU KNOW,
“WHAT DO I GET TO DO TODAY?” UM, AND I THINK
YOU’RE ALREADY– YOU’RE EXPERIENCING THAT ALREADY,
BY GOING TO SCHOOL, GETTING A NEW DEGREE. YOU’RE LOOKING TO,
“HEY, WHAT CAN I DO TODAY?” UM, ABSOLUTELY. UNEQUIVOCABLY,
NO DOUBT IN MY MIND.>>YEAH, YEAH.>>LET ME SAY ONE THING
BEFORE I FORGET IT.>>OKAY.
>>BECAUSE I’LL FORGET IT. THERE ARE THINGS CALLED KNOWLEDGE,
SKILLS, AND ABILITY CRITERIA, THAT YOU’RE MEASURED
AGAINST A LOT, AND A LOT OF THOSE THINGS ARE SET
BY OFFICE OF PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT. WHEN YOU APPLY
FOR A JOB, DO YOU HAVE THE REQUISITE
KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS, AND ABILITY? AND YOU DIDN’T HAVE
TO NECESSARILY DO THAT TASK, BUT YOU HAD TO SOMETHING
THAT WOULD QUALIFY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. GO AHEAD, SORRY.
>>NO, NOT A PROBLEM. RIGHT–
EVEN WITH THE F.B.I., I USUALLY ADVISE INTERESTED CANDIDATES
LIKE YOURSELF, AGAIN, ONCE YOU SEARCH
THROUGH THAT WEBSITE AND YOU IDENTIFY A POSITION
YOU THINK WILL MATCH UP TO YOU, YOU MAY WANT TO EXTRACT
SOME OF THAT SAME VERBIAGE THAT MAKES UP
THAT JOB DESCRIPTION, AND JUST INCORPORATE–
MAKING SURE YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN CARRY OUT
THESE RESPONSIBILITIES. BUT JUST INCORPORATE
THAT INTO YOUR PROFILE. UM, YOU CAN DISCUSS OR SPEAK TO
YOUR ORGANIZATIONAL SKILLS, RIGHT? YOUR ABILITY TO COMMUNICATE,
ORALLY AS WELL AS IN WRITING. UM, YOUR LEADERSHIP SKILLS. SO, AGAIN, AS PARTNERS
HAVE ALREADY ALLUDED TO, I’M SURE YOU HAVE DONE
SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS THAT WILL HELP SELL AND ENHANCE
YOUR LEVEL OF COMPETITIVENESS.>>AND FOR EXAMPLE,
OUR PARALEGAL PAM HERE, SHE HAS A MASTER’S
IN BUSINESS… BUT THAT COMES IN HANDY
ON A NUMBER OF LEVELS. SHE HAD GOOD COMMUNICATION SKILLS IN ADDITION
TO THE SPECIFIC BUSINESS LEARNING THAT SHE’S OBTAINED. UM, BUT WE GET A LOT
OF FRAUD CASES, SO SHE CAN APPLY HER BUSINESS KNOWLEDGE
TO THOSE CASES. SO… THAT DEGREE IS RATHER VERSATILE,
IN MY MIND. UH, AND IT’S SORT OF LIKE WHEN
I DECIDED TO GO TO LAW SCHOOL, I DIDN’T THINK I’D END UP
DOING WHAT I ENDED UP DOING. I LOVE WHAT I DO, BUT
I KNEW IT WAS A VERSATILE DEGREE, WHEN I WAS STUDYING, AND I THINK
YOU’RE IN THE SAME POSITION.>>ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?>>ONE THING THAT YOU MAY WANT TO DO
IS TO CONSIDER AN INTERNSHIP. I KNOW THAT FREQUENTLY, IN OUR OFFICE,
THERE’S INTERNSHIP POSITIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, AND I’M ASSUMING THAT
THEY’RE POSTED AT THE COLLEGE.>>THEY ARE.
>>THEY’RE SHORT-TERM… AND THEY’RE IN DIFFERENT
DEPARTMENTS IN OUR OFFICE. LIKE, SOME OF
THE OTHER PLACES HERE, WE HAVE AN I.T. DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE A HUMAN RESOURCES
DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE THE VICTIM WITNESS UNIT THAT HANDLES
THE VICTIMS OF CRIMES. UM, THE L.E.C.C., THAT
DOES A LOT OF TRAININGS WITH THE TRIBES AND THROUGHOUT
OUR SIDE OF THE STATE, AND OUR CRIMINAL DIVISION. WE HAVE A FINANCIAL LITIGATION UNIT
THAT COLLECTS ALL THE MONIES, AND THEN,
WE HAVE OUR CIVIL DIVISION THAT DEFENDS CASES THAT– LAWSUITS AGAINST A SLIP AND FALL
AT THE POST OFFICE OR AN EMPLOYMENT
DISCRIMINATION LITIGATION BY A POSTAL EMPLOYEE, OR DIFFERENT KINDS
OF CASES LIKE THAT. ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO,
I HAD AN INTERN WHO CAME IN AND WORKED
WITH ME FOR BANKRUPTCY, BECAUSE THEY WERE IN
A PARALEGAL PROGRAM AT DAVENPORT AND THEY HAD AN INTEREST
IN BANKRUPTCY. AND THAT WAY, TOO, YOU CAN GET A FEEL
IF THAT’S REALLY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, WHICH WAY YOU WANT TO GO, AND YOU CAN ALSO NETWORK
WHILE YOU’RE THERE. I MIGHT HAVE A FEW BUSINESS CARDS
WITH ME IF SOMEONE’S INTERESTED. I DON’T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU DO
EITHER FOR FUTURE REFERENCE.>>JUST A FOOTNOTE–
THAT INTERNSHIP. I KNOW I’VE ALREADY SHARED WITH
SO MANY OF YOUR STUDENTS TODAY… PRETTY MUCH ANY POSITION
WITH THE F.B.I. IS ONLINE… SO, AT FBIJOBS.GOV, AND IT’S UP TO YOU AS STUDENTS
OR INTERESTED CANDIDATES. MINIMUM REQUIREMENT–
3.0 FOR THE INTERNSHIP, THE V.I.P. THE VOLUNTEER INTERNSHIP
PROGRAM FOR THE F.B.I. UM, IF THAT WINDOW
OF OPPORTUNITY AVAILS ITSELF, YOU WANT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE
OF IT RIGHT THEN AND THERE, BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW
WHEN WASHINGTON IS GOING TO– WASHINGTON CAN SAY, “HEY, WE’RE GOING
TO OPEN THIS WINDOW OF OPPORTUNITY “BEGINNING OCTOBER 13th
UP UNTIL, YOU KNOW, OCTOBER 25th.” AND ALL OF A SUDDEN,
TWO DAYS LATER, I’M RECEIVING CALLS– THE WINDOW HAS CLOSED. SO, YOU WANT TO CHECK
THAT WEBSITE PERIODICALLY. JUST TO REITERATE,
ONCE THE OPPORTUNITY AVAILS ITSELF, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT
RIGHT THERE. 3.0 G.P.A.,
AND WHAT’S NICE ABOUT THE F.B.I.– THE F.B.I. WILL TRY TO MATCH
YOUR INTERNSHIP POSITION UP WITH YOUR INTERESTS.>>THE OTHER THING I WOULD ADD
ABOUT INTERNSHIPS IS, UM… IT’S REALLY AN OPPORTUNITY
FOR YOU TO BE TRYING OUT
FOR A POSITION. UH, WE’VE ACTUALLY
HIRED STUDENTS WHO HAVE INTERNED
WITH US. UM, SO, WHEN YOU ARE
ON AN INTERNSHIP– EVEN THOUGH, IN OUR OFFICE,
YOU’RE NOT BEING PAID– WE DON’T PAY OUR INTERNS. IF IT’S AN EXTERNSHIP,
YOU RECEIVE CREDIT FROM YOUR SCHOOL, BUT IT’S KIND OF
YOUR DRESS REHEARSAL. YOU’RE TRYING OUT
FOR THE POSITION BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW
WHEN A POSITION IS GOING TO OPEN UP. ONE OF OUR ATTORNEYS– SHE WAS
A STUDENT AT COOLEY AT THE TIME, AND SHE WAS AN INTERN–
INTERNING AT OUR OFFICE– AND WE DIDN’T HAVE A POSITION
AVAILABLE AT THE TIME. BUT WHAT WE DID
IS WE TURNED IN– WE DID HAVE AN OPENING THAT WE COULD CONVERT
INTO AN ATTORNEY’S POSITION, AND THAT’S WHAT WE DID, BECAUSE
WE SAW THE WORK THAT SHE PRODUCED, AND EVEN THOUGH SHE WASN’T PAID,
SHE WAS THERE ON TIME. SHE DID WHATEVER
WE ASKED HER TO DO OVER AND ABOVE
WHAT WE ASKED HER TO DO, AND SO WE OFFERED HER A JOB. SO, THAT’S REALLY A GOOD LESSON
FOR YOU TO LEARN. UM, USE THOSE INTERNSHIPS, BECAUSE EVEN IF A POSITION
ISN’T AVAILABLE THEN, ONE MAY OPEN IN A COUPLE MONTHS
OR A YEAR DOWN THE ROAD. BUT I WOULD ALSO FEEL COMFORTABLE
WITH, YOU KNOW, IF A POSITION OPENED SOMEWHERE ELSE
AND THEY APPLIED, I’D GIVE A GREAT RECOMMENDATION,
SO REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT.>>I HAVE AN M.B.A., TOO,
AND I WAS JUST THINKING, HOW WOULD WE FIT IN
FOR AN INTERN POSITION IF YOU LEFT SCHOOL
A LONG TIME AGO? IF YOU’VE LEFT SCHOOL–
>>YOU HAVE TO BE IN SCHOOL. I KNOW FOR US–
THAT’S FOR THE F.B.I. YOU HAVE TO BE IN SCHOOL, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE–
EVEN IF YOU’VE JUST STARTED SCHOOL– YOU COMPLETED
YOUR FRESHMAN– THAT FIRST SEMESTER
AS A FRESHMAN, 3.0 G.P.A.>>NO, WHAT I’M SAYING IS THAT… DO WE FALL IN THE CATEGORY
OF THE UNEMPLOYED LOOKING FOR A POSITION
UNTIL THERE’S AN OPENING? ASSUMING YOU WANT TO COME
THROUGH THE INTERNSHIP, SHOULD I– SHOULD WE–
THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN– PEOPLE LIKE US,
THAT HAVE A GRADUATE DEGREE, DO WE GO BACK TAKING A CLASS
FROM A COMMUNITY COLLEGE TO GET BACK IN THROUGH THE INTERNSHIP,
OR JUST LIKE A SHORT COURSE?>>I THINK THAT WOULD BE
KIND OF COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE.>>RIGHT.>>HOWEVER… I’M NOT IN THE SHOES
OF WALKING AROUND WITH AN ADVANCED DEGREE,
LOOKING FOR EMPLOYMENT. SO, I DON’T WANT
TO SPEAK TO IT, BUT I WOULD THINK
YOU QUALIFY FOR MANY POSITIONS AND JUST A BIT OF TENACITY
AND GOING AFTER THAT, YOU’VE GOT THAT IN THE BANK,
SO TO SPEAK, IN MY OPINION. NOW, IT’S A MATTER OF MATCHING
YOUR ABILITIES AND YOUR OPPORTUNITIES. SO, I WOULD THINK IT WOULD
BE KIND OF COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE TO GO BACK INTO STUDENT STATUS
SIMPLY TO START IN THAT WAY. YOU HAVE THAT. NOW, IT’S A MATTER
OF FINDING THE OPPORTUNITY.>>AND WE’VE ACTUALLY RECEIVED LETTERS
FROM PEOPLE THAT WANT TO VOLUNTEER, BECAUSE IT IS SUCH
A HARD JOB MARKET, AND SO, PEOPLE ARE LOOKING
AT WHATEVER WAY THEY CAN TO GET A FOOT
IN THE DOOR, HOPING THAT SOMETHING
MIGHT LEAD TO AN OPPORTUNITY, AND THAT’S NOT NECESSARILY
A BAD STRATEGY. BUT IT MAY NOT– YOU HAVE TO GO INTO IT
KNOWING THAT IT MAY NOT PAY OFF. IT MAY NOT PAY OFF IN THE SENSE
OF THAT AGENCY BEING ABLE TO PICK YOU UP, BUT, AT THE VERY LEAST,
YOU WOULD GAIN MAYBE SOME– BE ABLE TO NETWORK,
SOMETHING LIKE THAT.>>I BELIEVE HERE, PRETTY SOON,
THE PRESIDENT HAS A NEW PROGRAM. IT’S GOING TO BE THE PATHWAYS PROGRAM,
I THINK IS WHAT THEY’RE CALLING IT. UM, I WANT TO SAY–
DON’T HOLD ME TO THIS– BUT I THINK THEY’RE GOING TO
KIND OF DRAW SOME REQUIREMENTS TO YOUR DEGREE
BEING WITHIN THE LAST TWO YEARS TO QUALIFY
FOR THE PATHWAYS. NOW, I DON’T KNOW IF THAT’S
GOING TO BE FOR ALL AGENCIES. I THINK IT IS, BUT… I WANT TO SAY THAT
IT’S WITHIN TWO YEARS. UM, I GUESS I’M KIND OF
GOING OUT ON A LIMB, BUT IF YOU HAVE
A MASTER’S PROGRAM, AND YOU COMPLETED IT
A LONG TIME AGO, AND YOU’RE STILL HAVING
A HARD TIME… YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME AVENUES
TO FEDERAL EMPLOYMENT IF YOU’RE ATTENDING SCHOOL. AND IT COULD BE
FOR A CERTIFICATION– YOU KNOW, I’M NOT TELLING YOU
TO GO BACK AND GET A DEGREE, BUT IF IT’S SOMETHING THAT LINES UP
WITH WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH
GETTING ANOTHER CERTIFICATION, ESPECIALLY IF IT CAN
GET YOU INTO THE AGENCY. UM, I THINK EVERYBODY KIND OF,
YOU KNOW– ONCE YOU GET IN, THEN YOU CAN REALLY
LOOK AROUND. AND INTERNSHIPS
AND S.C.E.P., WHICH IS A STUDENT CAREER
ENHANCEMENT PROGRAM. UM, LOTS OF AGENCIES
HAVE THEM, AND THEY ARE THE TEST DRIVE
OF THE AGENCY, OKAY? IT’S A TEST DRIVE FOR YOU
AND IT’S A TEST DRIVE FOR US. WE SEE IF YOU’RE GOING
TO FIT INTO OUR AGENCY AND SEE IF THE WORK
YOU’RE DOING IS THERE. DO YOU LIKE
WHAT YOU’RE DOING? AT THE END OF THAT, THERE ARE
OPPORTUNITIES TO APPOINT YOU TO A FEDERAL POSITION
RIGHT AT THE COMPLETION OF THAT. SO, THERE ARE–
YOU KIND OF NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AND LOOK AT SPECIAL HIRING
AUTHORITIES, SEE HOW YOU CAN
FIT INTO THEM. UM, BECAUSE YOU’RE RIGHT–
RIGHT NOW, IT’S TOUGH TO GET A JOB. AND YOU KNOW, VETERAN STATUS
IS A WONDERFUL ONE. IF YOU HAVE VETERAN STATUS, THAT ONE CAN PUT YOU RIGHT UP
NEAR THE TOP, YOU KNOW? AND THAT’S WHAT
YOU’VE GOT TO KINDA DO, IS FIND ONE OF THOSE SPECIAL HIRING
AUTHORITIES THAT YOU CAN FIT INTO. MY TWO CENTS,
IF IT WAS WORTH THAT.>>CAN I JUST FOOTNOTE THAT? NO, THAT WAS GOOD. JUST–
I KNOW FOR THE F.B.I.– AGAIN, I JUST SPEAK FOR F.B.I.
AND MY EXPERIENCE. DON’T SHORT-CHANGE YOURSELF. WHEN YOU’RE FILLING OUT
YOUR RESUME, WHEN YOU’RE POSTING
YOUR RESUME ONLINE, I THINK SOME– SOME–
THEY MAY GIVE THESE BULLET POINTS AND YOU MAY
LEAVE IT UP TO US, “OH, THEY’RE F.B.I.,
SO THEY’LL FIGURE THAT OUT, “WHAT I’M TRYING TO SAY.” YOU ABBREVIATE,
YOU– YOU… SPELL OUT– WE, AS THE F.B.I.–
WE WANT YOU TO SPELL OUT IN DETAIL WHAT ARE YOU CAPABLE
OF DOING? WHAT ARE YOU
BRINGING TO THE TABLE? WHAT’S GOING TO SEPARATE YOU
FROM THE MASSES? SO, IF THERE’S ANYTHING
UNIQUE ABOUT YOURSELF– YOU HAVE A FOREIGN LANGUAGE
SPEAKING ABILITY, YOU HAVE A CERTIFICATION
IN COMPUTERS, YOU HAVE ANYTHING UNIQUE
ABOUT YOURSELF, I DON’T CARE HOW SMALL IT IS,
PUT IT DOWN. WHEN I SAY “DON’T SHORT-CHANGE YOURSELF,”
IT’S WHEN YOU THINK, “OH, THIS IS INSIGNIFICANT–
THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT THAT.” NO, IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT’S GOING TO GIVE YOU THE EDGE
OVER SOMEONE ELSE. I WAS TELLING SOMEONE
OUT AT OUR BOOTH, I TOOK SPANISH
THREE YEARS OF HIGH SCHOOL– SPANISH–
JUST ONE SEMESTER IN COLLEGE. DID I PUT THAT DOWN
ON MY APPLICATION? I DID. NOW, IF THEY WERE TO ASK ME–
AND THEY DID, “ARE YOU FLUENT?” “NO, BUT I’VE BEEN
EXPOSED TO IT!” BUT I MAY HAVE
PUT SOMETHING DOWN, MAYBE, THAT THE OTHER 25 APPLICANTS
DIDN’T PUT DOWN. DON’T SHORT-CHANGE YOURSELF. GIVE YOURSELF CREDIT.>>AND ALSO, DON’T LIMIT YOURSELF, TOO. THERE ARE SO MANY FEDERAL AGENCIES
AND POSITIONS. YOU MAY SEE YOURSELF
DOING A CERTAIN TYPE OF WORK, BUT IF YOU’RE HIRED, AND
YOU HAVE FEDERAL STATUS, YOU CAN MOVE FROM
ONE TO ANOTHER. YOU’RE STARTING TO ACCRUE
YOUR VACATION AND SICK TIME. YOU’RE START– IT DOESN’T
REALLY MATTER, A LOT OF TIMES. YOU KNOW, JUST GET IN. AND IF YOU GET A JOB
WITH THE VETERANS ADMINISTRATION OR THE E.P.A.
OR THE FOREST SERVICE, IT’S STILL–
YOU’RE PART OF THAT STATUS. UM, SO, JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. YOU MAY SAY, “WELL, I REALLY WANT
TO WORK FOR, YOU KNOW, “THIS AGENCY AND THIS OFFICE
DOING THIS THING.” AND YOU MIGHT BEAT YOUR HEAD
ON THE WALL FOR A WHILE, BECAUSE THAT MAY NOT HAPPEN,
BUT GET SOMEWHERE. ‘CAUSE THERE PROBABLY
IS SOMETHING SOMEWHERE, AND ONCE YOU DO THAT,
THEN YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE AROUND A BIT.>>THAT’S A GOOD POINT, BECAUSE
I KNOW A LOT OF YOU HAVE COME UP TO OUR TABLE, AND ARE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE MAJORS, AND PROBABLY MANY OF YOU
SEE YOURSELF MAYBE IN MORE OF
A LAW ENFORCEMENT TRACK, UH, AND MAYBE
WOULD NEVER CONSIDER DEFENDING THE CRIMINALS,
LIKE WE DO. BUT… YOU GET TO SEE ANOTHER SIDE OF IT,
AND YOU MAY LIKE IT. YOU MAY LIKE– ONCE YOU’RE
DOING THAT SORT OF WORK, SO GIVE YOURSELF
AN OPPORTUNITY. IF YOU DON’T LIKE IT,
YOU STILL HAVE THAT EXPERIENCE. AND I ALWAYS CONSIDER IT
A PLUS IF SOMEONE HAS
PROSECUTORIAL EXPERIENCE, BECAUSE THEY CAN BRING THAT
TO WHAT WE DO, AND VICE-VERSA. UM, SO, DON’T SELL YOURSELF SHORT
ON THAT.>>UM, FIRST OF ALL, I’D LIKE
TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I’M BUBBLING OVER
WITH QUESTIONS. I’M VERY EXCITED. UM, I DID COME IN
ON THE LATTER PART OF THIS, SO I’M NOT SURE
WHAT HAS BEEN COVERED. EXCUSE MY COLD. UM, MY FIRST QUESTION IS… I’M IN THE HUMAN SERVICE FIELD, AND I’M CURRENTLY UNEMPLOYED,
RECENTLY… PROBABLY IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS. BEEN LOOKING FOR WORK
HIGH AND LOW AND HAVE NOT REALLY FOUND
WHAT I’M LOOKING FOR. WHAT DEPARTMENT WOULD
I ACTUALLY BE TRYING TO APPLY TO OR DO SOME TYPE OF INTERNSHIP
BASED ON HUMAN SERVICES? MY HUMAN SERVICES
IS IN EMPLOYMENT. I KNOW THAT’S A BROAD FIELD.>>EVERY AGENCY.>>YEAH, IF THEY HAVE
AN H.R. FUNCTION… THE OFFICE OF PERSONNEL MANAGEMENT
IS KIND OF THE CLEARING HOUSE FOR THINGS, HOWEVER, THAT’S KIND
OF A BROAD FIELD. UM, I WISH I HAD A REALLY
GOOD ANSWER FOR YOU, EXCEPT THAT YOUR SKILL IS,
IT WOULD SEEM, MARKETABLE AND…
RATIONAL FOR EVERY AGENCY. IT’S JUST A MATTER OF– AND AGAIN,
YOU MAY NOT BE DOING THAT TYPE OF THING, BUT YOU HAVE A BACKGROUND
THAT WOULD MAKE YOU A CANDIDATE THAT I WOULD THINK WOULD, YOU KNOW–
COULD FIT INTO MOST AGENCIES. BUT I WITH I HAD
A SPECIFIC ANSWER– I DON’T. BUT EVERYBODY DOES
HAVE AN H.R. FUNCTION.>>RIGHT–
AND IF YOU COULD, YOU MIGHT– IF YOU’RE IN A POSITION
TO BE ABLE TO VOLUNTEER, THAT SOMETIMES WILL HELP YOU,
IF NOTHING ELSE, WITH NETWORKING. UM… AND IF YOU LET PEOPLE KNOW
YOU’RE LOOKING FOR WORK, IF THEY HEAR
OF SOMETHING– I FIND THAT PEOPLE
ARE REALLY– YOU KNOW, IF I GET RESUMES
FOR ANY SORT OF POSITION, AND THEN, I HEAR THAT A COLLEAGUE
IS LOOKING FOR A POSITION, I’LL CALL THAT APPLICANT, AND SAY,
“DO YOU MIND IF I SEND OVER YOUR RESUME?” UM, SO, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING
YOU WANT TO DO.>>SO, IS VOLUNTEERING AND INTERNSHIP
ESSENTIALLY THE SAME? OR IS ONE
BETTER THAN THE OTHER? BECAUSE, AT THIS POINT, MY MIND
IS GEARING TOWARDS INTERNSHIP BECAUSE I’M THINKING
MAYBE AT THE END OF THAT, I MIGHT BE A LITTLE
MORE PROSPEROUS.>>I GUESS IT ALL DEPENDS. I MEAN, WE GET–
WE’VE ACTUALLY RECEIVED LETTERS FROM ATTORNEYS, WHO ARE–
OR LAW ST– WHO HAVE JUST
PASSED THE BAR OR WHO HAVE BEEN AN ATTORNEY
FOR A YEAR OR SO, AND THEY’RE STILL
LOOKING FOR A JOB, UH, AND THEY’LL ASK
TO VOLUNTEER. BUT IF YOU’RE IN SCHOOL, I SUPPOSE
I’D TRY TO GET AN INTERNSHIP ‘CAUSE, SOMETIMES,
THEY PAY. SOME AGENCIES
CAN PAY YOU, AND SOMETIMES,
YOU COULD EARN CREDIT– COLLEGE CREDIT
BY EXTERNING.>>THE INTERNSHIP PROCESS–
DOES IT TAKE A WHILE TO GET INTO, AND TYPICALLY, CAN YOU SPEAK TO
HOW LONG IT TAKES TO COME OUT OF IT?>>I GUESS EVERY AGENCY
IS DIFFERENT. UM, WE USUALLY… GET OUR INTERNS
FROM THE LAW SCHOOLS, SO IT’S USUALLY A TERM. BUT WE’VE HAD INTERNS STAY ON LONGER
THAN ONE TERM.>>SO, WE HAVE–
OUR INTERNSHIP PROGRAM IS ACTUALLY A TWO-YEAR PROGRAM
FOR D.L.A. IT’S A CORPORATE
INTERNSHIP PROGRAM, AND WE SEND ‘EM–
YOU KNOW, WE SEND OUR INTERNS THROUGH A WHOLE BUNCH
OF DIFFERENT SCHOOLS. WE SEND ‘EM THROUGH
ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS WITHIN OUR ORGANIZATION, AND ULTIMATELY,
AFTER THE TWO YEARS, THEY LAND IN THE POSITION
THAT WE HAD HIRED ‘EM FOR. SO, OURS IS KIND OF A–
IT’S ALMOST LIKE A TRAINING TRACK, OKAY? UM, WE DO HAVE SOMETHING
CALLED A “STEP,” WHICH IS A SUMMER HIRE– YOU KNOW,
WE’LL HIRE STUDENTS DURING THE SUMMER. AND AGAIN, THAT’S ANOTHER ONE
OF OUR LITTLE TEST DRIVES, BECAUSE AT THE END
OF SEPTEMBER, WHEN YOU’RE SUPPOSED
TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL, A LOT OF TIMES,
IF YOU’VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB, WE’LL FIND A POSITION TO SLIDE YOU INTO,
AND CONVERT YOU OVER TO S.C.E.P. AND THAT S.C.E.P. PROGRAM THAT
I TALKED ABOUT A FEW MINUTES AGO IS ANOTHER ONE. UM, YOU JUST– YOU REALLY GOTTA GET OUT THERE
AND DO A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK, DO A LITTLE BIT
OF LOOKING. UM, THEY’VE TALKED ABOUT
THE RESUME, AND I LIKE TO CALL YOUR RESUME,
“YOUR STORY,” OKAY? THAT’S YOUR STORY. THAT’S YOUR OPPORTUNITY
TO TELL THE HIRING MANAGER WHY YOU’RE THE PERSON. AND ON EVERY JOB OPPORTUNITY, IF YOU READ DOWN ABOUT A HALF
TO THREE QUARTERS OF THE WAY, IT TELLS YOU ALL THE SKILLS
THAT THEY WANT THAT APPLICANT TO HAVE. IF YOU’VE DONE ‘EM,
MAKE SURE IT’S IN YOUR STORY.>>YES.
>>YOU KNOW? AND… YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE,
IF THEY’RE LOOKING FOR A BASKET-WEAVER, AND THEY SPELLED IT BASQUET, YOU PROBABLY NEED TO TALK ABOUT
YOUR “BASQUET,” B-A-S-Q-U-E-T. OKAY? I’M SERIOUS! IT’S–
AND I WASN’T TAUGHT THIS. THREE YEARS AGO, WHEN I WAS TRYING
TO GET INTO FEDERAL EMPLOYMENT, I DIDN’T LEARN ANY OF THIS. I DIDN’T KNOW ABOUT EXIT INTERVIEWS,
I DIDN’T KNOW, YOU KNOW– I’D COME OFF THE STREET
JUST LIKE YOU GUYS. AND I GOT A FEW LUMPS ON MY HEAD
BECAUSE I KEPT ASKING QUESTIONS. “WHY AM I NOT MAKING
THIS CERT?” “WELL, DID YOU DO THIS?”
“UHHH…” I’D ANSWER THAT WAY
A LOT, “UHHH…” YOU KNOW?
(audience chuckling) BUT ONCE YOU FIGURE THE SYSTEM OUT,
IT’S THERE FOR A REASON. UM, THEY’RE LOOKING FOR PEOPLE
THAT ARE GOING TO GO THAT EXTRA STEP, BECAUSE WHEN WE GET YOU
INTO YOUR POSITION, WE WANT YOU TO GO
THAT EXTRA STEP. YOU KNOW? WE DON’T WANT, YOU KNOW,
“IT’S CLOSE ENOUGH FOR GOVERNMENT WORK.” THAT’S A CROCK,
YOU KNOW? “CLOSE ENOUGH” FOR GOVERNMENT WORK
IS AS GOOD AS IT’S GOING TO GET. THERE’S NOT MUCH BETTER. YOU KNOW, THAT’S THEY WAY
WE WANT OUR EMPLOYEES TO BE. SO, THE SYSTEM IS THERE FOR A REASON,
AND IT REALLY DOES WORK. ULTIMATELY.
>>MMM-HMM.>>OKAY, ANY LAST QUESTIONS? WE’VE GONE OVER OUR TIME,
BUT I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY… ALL OF YOUR GREAT INFORMATION,
THAT WAS VERY HELPFUL, I’M SURE. AND THEY WILL BE OUT AT THEIR TABLES,
AGAIN, UNTIL 4 O’CLOCK, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS
OR WOULD LIKE TO TALK WITH THEM AT ALL, PLEASE DO THAT. WE HOPE THAT YOU ALL
JOIN US AGAIN AT 3 O’CLOCK. WE’RE GOING TO HAVE
A PRESENTATION ON HOW TO APPLY FOR FEDERAL JOBS
AND THAT WHOLE PROCESS, SO PLEASE JOIN US
FOR THAT. SO, AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
EVERYBODY. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TIME
AND INFORMATION.

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