Gun Control | Connecting Point | Feb. 17, 2016

Gun Control | Connecting Point | Feb. 17, 2016


>>IN JANUARY, PRESIDENT OBAMA
ISSUED AN EXECUTIVE ORDER THAT WOULD EXPAND BACKGROUND CHECKS
AND PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR FBI AND ATF AGENTS.
GUN RIGHT SUPPORTERS HOWEVER, SAY NO MATTER WHAT LAWS YOU
PASS, CRIMINALS WILL BREAK THEM. CONNECTING POINT CORRESPONDENT
CAROLEE MCGRATH SAT DOWN WITH A FIREARMS INSTRUCTOR THAT HAS A
LAW ENFORCEMENT BACKGROUND TO TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING FROM THE
NEED OF WEAPONS TRAINING TO THE IDEA OF GUN FREE ZONES.
>>SO AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR PRESIDENT OBAMA STARTED OFF
WITH A CONTROVERSIAL EXECUTIVE ORDER ON GUN CONTROL AND PART OF
WHICH INCLUDED EXPANDING BACKGROUND CHECKS.
IF I WANT TO APPLY FOR A GUN IN THE STATE OF MASSACHUSETTS, HOW
LONG DOES IT TAKE TO GET THROUGH THAT PROCESS?
>>ON AVERAGE IN TALKING TO PEOPLE THAT TAKE THE CLASS COULD
TAKE TWO MONTHS TO SIX MONTHS. SIX MONTHS IS ABOUT THE LONGEST.
>>THAT’S A LONG TIME.>>YES, IT IS.
>>SO IT’S NOT LIKE I COULD COME TO YOU IF THERE’S A DOMESTIC
SITUATION OR SOMETHING AND I WANTED TO GET A GUN THAT NIGHT,
IT’S NOT LIKE I COULD DO THAT?>>THERE’S NO WAY.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE CLASSROOM PORTION AND YOU HAVE TO FILE FOR
IT THAT TAKES TIME. AND IT GOES BACK TO THE STATE
POLICE. THE STATE POLICE SENDS IT TO THE
LOCALS AND YOU GET THE LICENSE TO CARRY.
>>ARE THERE A FEW DIFFERENT CERTIFICATES YOU NEED IN ORDER
TO CARRY?>>NO, YOU NEED ONE CERTIFICATE.
WHAT WE DO IS YOU TAKE THE CLASS WITH US AND AT THE END YOU ARE
PROVIDED A CERTIFICATE WITH THE STATE LOGO ON IT WHICH MEANS YOU
HAVE TAKEN A CLASS WITH AN INSTRUCTOR.
THE INSTRUCTOR HAS TO BE APPOINTED AND SIGNED BY THE
STATE POLICE.>>HOW DO YOU FEEL BY PEOPLE
BEING ABLE TO CARRY A GUN FOR PROTECTION?
>>MY BIGGEST ISSUE — AND IT’S NOT EVEN AN ISSUE, I WOULD LIKE
TO SEE PEOPLE GET MORE TRAINING. YOU CAN’T JUST PICK UP A GUN AT
PAPER CITY OR SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT, GET A GUN AND BE
PROFICIENT WITH IT. IT TAKES THOUSANDS OF ROUNDS AND
HOURS AND TRAINING TO BE PROFICIENT WITH A FIREARM.
MOST PEOPLE GO TO A RANGE AND SHOOT DURING DAYTIME HOURS AND
STACK AND PULL THE TRIGGER. SELF-DEFENSE FOR SHOOTING MEANS
YOU HAVE THE PROPER WEAPON, PROPER AMMO, DRAWING FROM A
HOLSTER THAT IS CONCEALED AND ENGAGING YOUR TARGET, KNOWING
HOW MANY ROUNDS YOU NEED TO PUT IN THE TARGET AND HITTING THE
TARGET. YOU CAN’T GET THAT FROM A VIDEO
GAME. YOU CAN’T GET THAT FROM WATCHING
SOMEBODY ELSE. YOU HAVE TO GET THE SKILL FROM A
RANGE UNDER AN INSTRUCTOR.>>SO YOU ARE A LITTLE UNEASY
ABOUT IT OR CAUTIOUS ABOUT IT?>>I AM CAUTIOUS ABOUT IT.
I LIKE TO TELL PEOPLE TO SHOOT A BOX OF AMMO A MONTH.
>>WHICH WOULD MAKE THEM UP TO DATE ON THEIR SKILLS.
>>>CRITICS HAVE SAID REALLY WE SHOULD LOOK AT GUN FREE ZONES,
FOR EXAMPLE, SCHOOLS. WHERE YOU’VE HAD THESE MASS
SHOOTINGS AND ALLOW PEOPLE TO CARRY WHETHER IT IS A PRINCIPAL
OR A TEACHER. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT?
>>I DON’T KNOW IF I’D WANT SOME TEACHERS TAKING A LONG SHOT DOWN
A HALLWAY. I WOULD LOOK AT — THEY WOULD
NEED EXTENSIVE TRAINING. BUT EVEN BEFORE YOU HAVE THE
SHOOTER, YOU HAVE OTHER ELEMENTS.
DID THE POLICE — DID THE SCHOOL TALK TO THE POLICE ABOUT SOMEONE
THAT WAS SHOWING SIGN AS SOON AS WAS THERE ANY COUNSELING
INVOLVED? WAS THERE ANY SIGNS BEFORE THIS
THAT WE COULD HAVE STOPPED WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED.
THERE ARE CASES WHERE A VICE PRINCIPAL AND PRINCIPAL STOPPED
A SHOOTING DOWN SOUTH — IT WAS. IT WAS MISSISSIPPI AND HE HAD TO
RUN BACK TO HIS TRUCK AND THERE WERE TWO KIDS KILLED IN THAT
SITUATION BUT HE WAS ABLE TO STOP IT FROM BEING MORE DEADLY
–>>AND HE NEVER FIRED A SHOT.
SO –>>AND YOU LOOK AT THAT AND YOU
SAY WELL, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?>>TO SOME EXTENT, I LOOK AT THE
FACT DID HE HAVE TO FIRE THE SHOT?
IF THERE WERE KIDS LIKE IN COLUMBINE, WOULD HE BE ABLE TO
SHOOT DOWN A HALL ACCURATELY AND SHOOT THE SHOOTERS ADVANCING?
WOULD YOU HIT ONE OF THE OTHER KIDS?
WHO WERE HIS INSTRUCTORS? YOU CAN’T JUST PICK UP A GUN AND
BE LIKE TJ HOOKER AND HIT SOMEBODY 60 YARDS AWAY.
>>SO YOU ARE CAUTIOUS ON THAT AS WELL.
>>YES.>>DO YOU THINK ASSAULT WEAPONS
SHOULD BE BANNED? MANY PEOPLE TALKED THAT WITH ALL
OF THESE HORRIBLE SHOOTINGS THAT WE’VE SEEN.
>>I WOULDN’T BAN THEM. PEOPLE USE THEM FOR HUNTING
VARMENTS. IT’S NOT A HOME DEFENSE WEAPON
BECAUSE THE SPEED THE ROUND TRAVELS, BUT THEY DO THREE
COMPETITIONS, ARR RIFLE, A HANDGUN
AND A SHOTGUN.
RANGES NEED MONEY TO OPERATE. THE GUNS MAKE THE GUNS SO THEY
MAKE PROFITS FROM THE GUNS. THERE’S INSTRUCTORS THAT TEACH
THESE THINGS AND ENDORSEMENTS THE SHOOTERS GET.
AND FOR THE MOST PART, MOST PEOPLE ARE LEGAL GUN OWNERS THAT
TAKE CARE OF THEIR GUNS. THEY FOLLOW THE RULES.
THEY HAVE A TRIGGER LOCK ON THEM OR A CABLE LOCK OR THEY ARE
STORED PROPERLY. TO KEEP THEM FROM KIDS.
>>RIGHT. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE SECOND
AMENDMENT? I HAVE A VERY GOOD FRIEND THAT
IS WATCHING THIS SHOW AND WE’VE TALKED THE SECOND AMENDMENT.
AND I’M GOING TO READ IT TO YOU. A WELL REGULATED MILITIA BEING
NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY AFTERFREE STATE, THE RIGHT OF
THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BARE ARMS SHOULD NOT BE INFRINGED.
HIS ARGUMENT IS THE FOUNDING FATHERS REALLY MEANT THE FIRST
PART. A REALLY REGULATED MILITIA.
PEOPLE DON’T NEED GUNS LIKE THE WILD, WILD WEST.
HOW DO YOU FEEL?>>IF THEY’VE SEEN WHAT I’VE
SEEN, I HAVE NO DOUBTS THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE I WOULD NOT WANT TO
SEE WEAPONS. I WOULD NOT WANT TO SEE WEAPONS
IN SOME OF THESE PEOPLE’S HANDS. I BELIEVE A LAW-ABIDING CITIZEN
SHOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP A GUN AT HOME AND STORED PROPERLY SO IF
THEY WISH TO USE IT FOR SELF-DEFENSE OR TAKE IT TO THE
RANGE, ENTER FRIENDLY COMPETITIONS, THEY SHOULD BE
ABLE TO DO THAT. I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THE
RULES IN MASSACHUSETTS. THERE’S ALSO RULES THAT PREVENT
PEOPLE FROM GETTING HANDGUNS BECAUSE THEY’VE HAD SOMETHING IN
THEIR BACKGROUND THAT SAYS YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE A WEAPON.
BUT ALSO, CONVERSELY, IF YOU — IF THEY FIND YOU CAN’T HAVE ONE
FOR ANY REASON, YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL THAT.
SO IT COULD GO UP THE CHAIN OF COMMAND.
SO YOU MAY AFTER AN APPEAL STILL GET IT BECAUSE YOU PROVE YOU ARE
ABLE TO KEEP THE HANDGUN SAFELY AT HOME.
>>SO LAST QUESTION, PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES HAVE ACTUALLY TALKED
ABOUT THIS. YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT OUR
SCHOOLS AND THEY ARE SOFT TARGETS AS YOU KNOW.
ANYBODY CAN WALK INTO A SCHOOL AND WE’VE SEEN IT HAPPEN.
AND IT’S SO TRAGIC. DO YOU THINK THAT MAYBE IF
YOU’VE HAD ARMED GUARDS IN OUR SCHOOLS AND WE REALLY MADE AN
INVESTMENT IN THAT ACROSS THE COUNTRY, DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD
BE THE SOLUTION?>>RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE THE SCHOOL
RESOURCE OFFICERS ARMED –>>BUT NOT ENOUGH.
YOU HAVE THE BANKS PROTECTED, THE POLITICIANS PROTECTED.
>>RIGHT. HOW ABOUT WE PULL THE PEOPLE
GUARDING THE POLITICIANS AND WE BRING THEM TO PROTECT THE S
SCH SCHOOLS?
OR HIRE PEOPLE THAT ARE RETIRED POLICE OFFICERS OR RETIRED
OFFICERS TO PATROL THE SCHOOL AS SOON AS
>>THE ELEMENT I WORKED WITH DIDN’T DO MASS SHOOTINGS.
THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT MAY HAVE HAD PSYCHOLOGICAL ISSUES OR
SOMETHING ELSE IN THEIR HISTORY. THE PEOPLE I HAD ROBBED,
COMMITTED FELONIES THAT WERE SUBJECT TO TWO AND-A-HALF YEARS
OF INCARCERATION. I THINK IN SOME CASES, IF THE
PERSON WERE TO GO TO A SCHOOL AND KNEW THERE WAS AN SRO OR
ARMED PERSON, THEY MAY GO AFTER THIS PERSON FIRST TO TAKE THEM
OUT, BUT IT WOULD GIVE THE ARMED PERSON A CHANCE TO ENGAGE THE
SHOOTER AND MAYBE STOP HIM, EITHER VERBALLY OR PHYSICALLY
BEFORE THEY ENTERED. THE SHOOTING IN CONNECTICUT, YOU
KNOW, HE — THERE WERE THINGS IN PLACE.
THE DOORS WERE LOCKED. HE WENT THROUGH THE DOORS.
AND HE WENT DOWN ONE SINGLE HALLWAY AND CREATED THE CARNAGE
IN THE HALLWAY AND IT WAS A LEGALLY PURCHASED FIREARM.
>>AND THE RESPONSE TIME FOR THE POLICE WAS AMAZING.
>>YES.>>THEY HAD INCREDIBLE RESPONSE
TIME, BUT IT DIDN’T MATTER. IT WASN’T FAST ENOUGH.
>>RIGHT.>>THESE ARE BIG, BIG CASES, BIG
PROBLEMS. I DON’T THINK WE ARE GOING TO
SOLVE THEM TODAY BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR PROFESSIONAL
PERSPECTIVE ON THIS. THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
>>THANK YOU.

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