Historian: Correcting The Myths of The Electoral College | Tara Ross | POLITICS | Rubin Report

Historian: Correcting The Myths of The Electoral College | Tara Ross | POLITICS | Rubin Report


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  1. She's right that it may be the best way, but I live in Illinois. It will make no sense for me to vote Trump in 2020 because Illinois is so far blue that it won't matter. I feel like I have no say in the matter. Then again, life isn't fair and I won't cry about it like a whiny liberal.

  2. I'd love an Electoral College for big states.. that's an AMAZING idea. I live in Texas and the Austin ideals are going to ruin us eventually.

  3. I prefer popular votes that are EQUAL across the board in a democracy but because of the one and only geography issue, we need an EQUITABLE system for the American nation and certain states great in population and/or area.

    The system of equity could be improved upon but the USA, as well as California, Florida, Texas, (my home state of) New York, Illinois, and a handful of others needs something like an Electoral College.

    I am a fair guy though and there are some states, like Rhode Island, and Vermont, Idaho, and Maine, which are small by area and/or population CAN-and even SHOULD-have POPULAR votes that are EQUAL and NOT equitable.

    We should sit down a bunch of mathematicians, sociologists, geographers, and other social scientists to devise a formula when a democratic state should have equal vote to an equitable vote and vice versa.

    P.S. I wish the U.S. Presidency was selected by instant run-off voting rather than first past the post.

  4. There was a time (and not that long ago) when California was Red and Texas was Blue. These things change over time.

  5. When you look at the electoral college from the perspective of a federal government that is NOT supposed to be running everything, it makes perfect sense that high-population, urbanized areas shouldn't be dictating policy to other areas. The right of each area to govern itself must be preserved.

  6. When it took days to travel a few towns over, localized loyalty was high. The Founders could never imagine people traveling the breadth of the nation in a few hours. As travel speed has increased, loyalty to the home state or home town has decreased.

  7. I'm 32 minutes into the program and they are still dancing around the obvious- Mockingjay. There was a book series and a popular movie series- about powerful states making slaves out of other states. Ok- I'm simplifying- but there needs to be a SIMPLE explanation to go along with the Prager U video- and it could be that simple- hey, read this book series, or watch the movie. Because of human nature- if we became a pure democracy, there would be mob rule- there is no doubt of that to anyone who follows current events. Antifa- an organization empowered to be violent by Democrats. Violent civil disobedience- senators telling their constituents to rise up. This is madness. Oh, btw, a "pure" democracy killed Socrates. Another thing- had Democrats won, modifying our Constitution to abolish the Electoral College wouldn't even be topic of conversation. Postscript- I was one of the 60+ million people who was educated by Ross' video. She's amazing- wish she was getting even more exposure, hopefully as 2020 matures, she will.

  8. There is no valid reason to argue in favor of the National Popular Vote in the United States, because there never was nor should there be a nationwide ballot.
    A nationwide ballot would be exponentially easier to exploit and hack than 50 different polling procedures in 50 different states. Those making the argument for the National Popular Vote are (hopefully unwittingly) opening the door of more foreign influence upon USA elections. It would be much easier for Russia or China to subtly manipulate one big election as opposed to running interference on 50 elections. Even our neighbors Canada and Mexico would be tempted to nudge our National Popular Vote in their own favor.
    What often gets forgotten about today is that the USA is a union of 50 states. It’s beholden upon the presidential candidates to win the popular vote in a substantial coalition of states.
    Donald Trump won the popular vote in 30 out of 50 states. The “Blue Wall” states in the Rust Belt that Hillary Clinton took for granted were a key component that helped propel Trump into the Oval Office.

  9. The argument that because citizens don't have the same munitions as the us military, there's no chance of being a threat is absolutely absurd. Just look at Iraq and Afghanistan.

  10. If each state used the electoral college system in state election, it would be unlikely democrats would win much power.

  11. too much power in one place makes it feel like no one has a voice… we were warned about the dangers of making a two-party system… we were warned about consolidation of power… but we don't educate ourselves and each other in history

  12. I like the analogy that Tara used.
    If you replace electoral college to minority and popularity to majority makes it easier to persuade others of the electoral over the popularity

  13. If we went from disagreement and 0 movement post civil war, and it eventually got better; and currently we went from good to 0 movement, we have disagreement. The FED is designed to not move when there is disagreement. It is working as intended. I have no intention of backing anyone who compromises with these loony leftists. There is a line in the sand.

    Yes, curse us stubborn people who want the 1st 2nd and other amendements protected and enforced. The stubborn people who want a border.

  14. If the license plates are anything to go by, texas will be blue in 10 years. All from failing states, cali, newyork, pennsylvania, washington, oregon. Of course they won't change their politics. They flood into the inner cities which are certainly not equipped to handle that many people. They crack the infrastructure. Natually, the leftists that run the major downtowns don't care, they'll push as far left as any californian governor. I really fear for this country.

  15. Well miss historian, we can track most of these changes back via population and it's pretty clear why california will stay blue. no matter what. Until and unless insolvency causes the ponzi scheme to fail.

  16. Now this lady I like. I liked her from the beginning where she correctly pointed out that the only legitimate power the federal government has are those outlined in the constitution, and I continued to like her all the way through the interview. I wish more Americans knew the things she laid out in this video.

  17. A better answer to the tyranny of the majority over the minority (or vice versa) is NOT better governance, but much less of it.

  18. If one looks at state and local government, you will find they are at least as intrusive into the private affairs of citizens as the federal government.

    States do not have rights. They exist to protect the rights of their inhabitants. When states are inhibiting the valid individual rights of men, it is appropriate for the federal government to step in and remedy that situation (if the apparatus of the state cannot do it itself).

    The focus should always be on elevating liberty everywhere, not the feds versus the states.

  19. I would be very willing to give up the Electoral College in exchange for repealing the 17th Amendment and returning control of the Federal Senate to where it originally laid,… in the State Legislatures and not with the passionate people who already had the House of Representatives. The founding fathers understood that Democracies ALWAYS self-destruct over loose fiscal policy,… so they gave the Senate to the only political body available which would be naturally jealous of their sovereignty versus that of an overpowering Federal government. The Progressives, of that era, knew exactly what they were doing with their trifecta of the 16th, 17th and 18th Amendments; murdering our Republic!!

    A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with a result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through the following sequence:

    . From Bondage to Spiritual Faith

    . From Spiritual Faith to Great Courage

    . From Courage to Liberty

    . From Liberty to Abundance

    . From Abundance to Selfishness

    . From Selfishness to Complacency

    . From Complacency to Apathy

    . From Apathy to Dependency

    . From Dependency back into Bondage

    ~ Alexander Fraser Tytler

    18th century Historian and Jurist

    When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.

    ~ Benjamin Franklin

    The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.

    ~ Thomas Jefferson

    A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine.

    ~ Thomas Jefferson

    The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.

    ~ Thomas Jefferson

    Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their death.

    ~ James Madison

    Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.

    ~ John Adams

    Mankind will in time discover that unbridled majorities are as tyrannical and cruel as unlimited despots.

    ~ John Adams

    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.

    ~ Alexis de Tocqueville

    It is above all in the present democratic age that the true friends of liberty and human grandeur must remain constantly vigilant and ready to prevent the social power from lightly sacrificing the particular rights of a few individuals to the general execution of its designs. In such times there is no citizen so obscure that it is not very dangerous to allow him to be oppressed, and there are no individual rights so unimportant that they can be sacrificed to arbitrariness with impunity.

    ~ Alexis de Tocqueville

    Our contemporaries are constantly wracked by two warring passions: they feel the need to be led and the desire to remain free. Unable to destroy either of these contrary instincts, they seek to satisfy both at once. They imagine a single, omnipotent, tutelary power, but one that is elected by the citizens. They combine centralization with popular sovereignty. This gives them some respite. They console themselves for being treated as wards by imagining that they have chosen their own protectors. Each individual allows himself to be clapped in chains because that the other end of the chain is held not by a man or a class but by the people themselves.

    ~ Alexis de Tocqueville

    The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.

    ~ Alexis de Tocqueville

    Americans are so enamored of equality they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

    ~ Alexis de Tocqueville

    The man who asks of freedom anything other than itself is born to be a slave.

    ~ Alexis de Tocqueville

    Even despots do not deny the merits of freedom; only they wish to keep it for themselves, claiming that no one else is worthy of it. Thus our quarrel is not about the value of freedom per se, but stems from our opinion of our fellow men, high or low as the case may be; indeed, it is no exaggeration to say that a man's admiration for absolute government is proportionate to the contempt he feels for those around him.

    ~ Alexis de Tocqueville

    I have long been convinced that institutions purely democratic must, sooner or later, destroy liberty, or civilization, or both.

    ~ Thomas Babington Macaulay

    Democracy is the road to socialism.

    ~ Karl Marx

    Democracy and Socialism are inseparable.

    ~ Vladimir Ilich Lenin

    Democracy is indispensable to socialism.

    ~ Vladimir Ilich Lenin

    The goal of Socialism is Communism.

    ~ Vladimir Ilich Lenin

    Government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advance auction in stolen goods.

    ~ H.L. Mencken

    As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.

    ~ H.L. Mencken

    What is any political campaign save a concerted effort to turn out a set of politicians who are admittedly bad and put in a set who are thought to be better. The former assumption, I believe is always sound; the latter is just as certainly false. For if experience teaches us anything at all it teaches us this: that a good politician, under democracy, is quite as unthinkable as an honest burglar.

    ~ H.L. Mencken

    Democracy is the art of running the circus from the monkey cage.

    ~ H.L. Mencken

    Under democracy one party always devotes its chief energies to trying to prove that the other party is unfit to rule, and both commonly succeed, and are right.

    ~ H.L. Mencken

    Democracy is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual ignorance.

    ~ H.L. Mencken

    Democracy is also a form of worship. It is the worship of Jackals by Jackasses.

    ~ H.L. Mencken

    Democracy encourages the majority to decide things about which the majority is blissfully ignorant.

    ~ John Simon

    There exists no more democratic institution than the market.

    ~ Joseph A. Schumpeter

    Bureaucracy is not an obstacle to democracy but an inevitable complement to it.

    ~ Joseph A. Schumpeter

    It is not true that democracy will always safeguard freedom of conscience better than autocracy. Witness the most famous of all trials. Pilate was, from the standpoint of the Jews, certainly the representative of autocracy. Yet he tried to protect freedom. And he yielded to a democracy.

    ~ Joseph A. Schumpeter

    By means of ever more effective methods of mind-manipulation, the democracies will change their nature; the quaint old forms — elections, parliaments, Supreme Courts and all the rest — will remain. The underlying substance will be a new kind of totalitarianism. All the traditional names, all the hallowed slogans will remain exactly what they were in the good old days. Democracy and freedom will be the theme of every broadcast and editorial. Meanwhile the ruling oligarchy and it's highly trained elite of soldiers, policemen, thought-manufacturers and mind-manipulators will quietly run the show as they see fit.

    ~ Aldous Huxley

    A democratic despotism is like a theocracy: it assumes its own correctness.

    ~ Walter Bagehot

    This is one of the paradoxes of the democratic movement,.. that it loves a crowd and fears the individuals who compose it,.. that the religion of humanity should have no faith in human beings.

    ~ Walter Lippmann

    The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter.

    ~ Winston Churchill

  20. We need to do the Electoral College state by state that way big California can't control the farmers what they do with their water La does not run the rest of the whole state. Seattle does not run Washington State

  21. They really need to have civic courses in school again!!! But that’s just another way to have control by keeping us uninformed

  22. I love learning this way! Even if the public school system had taught this, I honestly am not sure I would have understood. My dad said to me the public school system and universities are changing history in the 80's. He probobly said it before that, but I wasn't paying attention. I woke up from the hypnotized state I was in about 5 years ago. Thank you Dave!!

  23. My take is that we are names the UNITED States of America for a reason, that the federal government is intended to represent the combined will and action of the States. To join this Union, the States have ceded certain specific sovereign powers, mainly those dealing with foreign relations, diplomatic, economic, and military. The Executive wields these powers on behalf of the States, so it is only proper that the chief of the Executive be selected by the States. This is the same reason that treaties and appointments made by the Executive are subject to advice and consent of the Senate (as representatives of the States in the federal government before 17A).

  24. Popular vote within a state determines electoral college. This is a stupid debate. California is a shit-hole. No one that is sane wants them to influence the country’s direction.

  25. After the Oklahoma City bombing, their governor notably turned down some Federal assistance. He basically said , "Thanks, we got this."

  26. Dave, Dave, Dave. You keep repeating a lie. Hillary Clinton did not win the popular vote, she only got the most popular votes. The Electoral College is not decided by who gets the most electoral votes, it is decided by who gets over 50% of the electoral votes. A national popular vote would need to require over 50% to win. This leads to a whole different look at what happens when 50% is not reached. Does the election go to the congress like the Electoral College or is there a runoff like all other elections. Also there is the nightmare of recounts. There would likely be a lot more challenges to a national vote. We have seen how bad it is when only one state has to recount, imagine if the whole country has to recount.

  27. There is no video on prageru that has 60 million views, or even 16 million views and all the videos that have anything to do with electoral college have several hundred thousand views – up to a few million views. 60 million people have not seen this woman.

  28. If you want to change the Electoral College then first get rid of the special electors. Second, do away with the 'Winner Takes All' state election outcomes.

    Replace the old system with the winner of the majority of votes in a state's single congressional district will win that single electoral point. The overall first and second place winners of a state's total congressional electoral points will each receive one of the two senatorial electoral points for that state.

    The candidate to reach a total 270 (current total needed) electoral points then becomes the President Elect.

    This removes the possible fraud of special interest party selected electors from changing their votes. It puts every single congressional district into play with none superior to any other district, ends the 'starvation' of third party candidates in receiving electoral points and ends the pandering to large population centers in attempts of secure an entire state's electoral points.

    Also, every state, regardless of population size, needs to install an electoral college style system of their own.

  29. 12:17 "…all the way back to the 17th Amendment…" The destruction of the Republic began with the 14th Amendment (as it has been applied) and the 16th. I contend these have had far more impact than the 17th and I do not dispute the significance of the 17th.

  30. The one thing i dont understand about the electoral college is why the House Representatives dont vote with their district but they vote with the state. Like why does a liberal rep from texas vote Trump but a conservative in cali votes hillary?

  31. The electoral college is not working properly because of states that have a 'winner take all' implementation of it. That is not how it's supposed to work because it doesn't property represent people by geographic region.

  32. The reason we don't elect the president by popular vote is because we're the united STATES of America. Not the united uneducated morons of America. It's the STATES that are voting. The moment you take away the electoral college, most states never again have a voice or representation in the union. And that causes secession. So why should less populous states have more voting weight? To protect the minority from the majority. Wyoming can't live by California's laws. Neither can California.

  33. Jefferson advocated for Local Public Schooling because the country was growing so quickly and immigration was on a rise, that he felt the need to assure that the people would keep abreast of the knowledge of what our Government was about. Ben Franklin's warning, we have a Republic if can keep it !

  34. A government will never use weapons of mass, or large destruction, such as tanks (main gun), Air power, Seapower, bombs etc to subjugate it's populace.  A Nuke, can not hold a street corner, A fighter jet can not storm a residence and arrest or search for contraband.  These weapons are used to destroy an opponent, including it's infrastructure.  As a tyrannical government, you want the populace in tact, just subjugated.  You do not want to rule over ruins.This is why an American Populace armed with 'just' semi-automatic rifles, like an AR15 CAN keep a tyrannical Nat Govt at bay, with their bombs, tanks, missiles etc.  This is way EVERY tyrannical government, disarmed it's people before subjugation.  If lesser firearms weren't enough, then why do that?

  35. Great video and interview. Great guest. I have no problems with any of that. Just one point for consideration: If you are looking to find out where tyranny lies, go look at your local zoning ordinances. See how they're written. Most of them start out "You are prohibited from doing anything with your own real property unless specifically permitted herein." I'm paraphrasing, of course, but go look, see where the tyrannical rule lies.

  36. 1: There are 3,141 counties in the United States. Trump won 2,626 of them. Clinton won 487.
    2: There are 62 counties in New York State. Trump won 46 of them. Clinton won 16.
    3: Clinton won the popular vote by approx. 1.5 million votes.
    4: In the 5 counties that encompass NYC, (Bronx, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Richmond & Queens) Clinton received well over 2 million more votes than Trump. (Clinton only won 4 of these counties; Trump won Richmond) Therefore these 5 counties alone, more than accounted for Clinton winning the popular vote of the entire country.
    5: These 5 counties comprise 319 square miles. The United States is comprised of 3,797,000 square miles.
    6: When you have a country that encompasses almost 4 million square miles of territory, it would be ludicrous to even suggest that the vote of those who inhabit a mere 319 square miles should dictate the outcome of a national election.
    Large, densely populated Democrat cities (NYC, Chicago, LA, etc) don’t and shouldn’t speak for the rest of the country.

  37. I want Tara Ross to admit she is pro-affirmative action for small town folks. It's defensible, but dishonest to pretend that is not what she advocates. Or she can just call herself NOT in favor of one person, one vote. She is afraid of tyranny against non-majority groups. There are rights (equal protection) that apply to everybody to deal with this. She wants rules that don't apply equally to everybody. If I have to cater to every petty concern of non-majority groups (I'm not talking about basic, equally-applied, rights), why can't I as a group of 1, get my own special treatment? Every time a law is passed that I disagree with, is this not a form of tyranny, in her view?

  38. These two are discussing this topic like we're still in the 18th century. Guys, we have national companies and an economy that operates across the nation. Bank of America, Blue Cross, Walmart, Apple, these are not state companies, but national. Americans move between states ALL the time, and expect uniformity of law, policy, etc, at least to some basic level. What they advocate is impractical and would be incredible expensive.
    This is the challenge conservatives fail to meet. The solutions you propose do not work for the modern world.

  39. @18:00: Counterpoint- Hillary got 20% of her vote from roughly 18% of the population (NY & CA). It sounds way worse when you suggest that 1/5 of her votes came from 1/25 of the states, but if you look at population, it’s a very different picture, I’d say.

  40. Mob rule? How about corporate rule? Why is the People's House limited to 435 members? The Constitution says no more than 1 per 30,000 citizens and we are at 1 per 800,000. What are people afraid of in having more representation in the fed at Washington DC?

  41. She had me, intently listening up until she denied the danger of demographic change. We know that both illegal and legal immigration is changing states forever and they are never changing from Blue to Red. These are "fake" conservative talking points. I do believe that we stand a good chance of changing the black vote, because they are realizing just how bad the DemonRats have taken advantage of them. Immigrants come from corrupt socialist governments and think that is just the way things go so I will try to get as much free shit as I can.

  42. Realize that over 50% of all elected "officials" have been attorneys, barristers or members of the bar. That is a conflict of interest.

  43. Well the election definitely was "hacked", as it were, if you have listened to anything from that Dr. Epstein, who was actually a long time Democrat and voted for Hillary but was so alarmed by the corruption of the election system that he had to speak out and has done great research on this, and he actually spoke to some Congressional committee about where he found that Google, by their manipulation of information available to people who were searching, actually swung 2 to 10 million votes to Hillary Clinton. this kind of manipulation of the elections by these big powerful and biased tech giants is the biggest threat we have now. So she didn't actually win the popular vote in a fair election, and also we have to figure in how many millions of illegal immigrants voted. And that was a problem in the state of Texas, for one, by the admission of people in the voting authority.

  44. If you want to make the Electoral College closer to popular vote then increase the House Of Representatives closer to 10,000 members.

  45. More than any previous election, the 2016 election proved the wisdom and foresight of the Founder in creating the electoral college. Without it, the election would have been decided by the two large mega-urban centers on the East and West coasts. What happened in "fly-over" America would have been largely irrelevant. The whole concept was to insure the votes of those in less populace states mattered and to prevent a tyranny of the majority.

  46. I think you just produced the BEST video on the reason for the electoral college. And as another commenter already has said, the 17th amendment fundamentally changed our republic.

  47. The entire discussion is academic. The only way the Electoral College goes away is to have a Constitutional Amendment. I seriously doubt that any generation will be able to find 38 states willing to give up their electoral powers to 2 or 3 states. Simply isn't going to happen.

  48. 21:55 boom💥 Electoral college in big states!! Fantastic idea! I live in the central valley of California and The coastal elites determine everything involved. What a valley farmer or foothill Rancher values and desires is something completely different from someone living in San Francisco or Los Angeles wants or needs!

  49. The founders never would’ve imagined that the federal government will be in charge of the public school system

  50. People must get into the habit of reading documents to verify what is being said about them. This must start in Junior High.

  51. And shit canning the EC would mean that everyone would have to make a pilgrimage to the nearest major metropolitan area. And if THAT happens, then I bet Democrats would become pro voter ID REAL quick. Mark my words, lol. That would help ensure conservatives from less populated areas going into the cities to vote.

  52. Bill told Hillary a few weeks before the election that she was in trouble and needed to campaign in the Rust Belt states. Queen Hillary ignored this advice (what did Bill know about winning elections, after all), and got what she deserved. Her arrogance saved the country from what would have been a disastrous presidency.

  53. The electoral College prevents the dictatorship of the populous areas. No it wasn't a miscalculation the cure is Amendment 2 which creates a n overwhelming army of ,millions these days as an answer to overbearing and abusive Government.

  54. My notes,

    05:34 "did the founding fathers miscalculate?"
    Definitly NO.
    Here is the proof, the first and second amendement.
    Both are like the twin guardians of the sacred hope of USA.
    The founding fathers knew the innate threath, they have calculated it, and they passed down the solution; the twin Guardians.

    Gin,

  55. "Why should rural folks be tyrannised by people in the big cities?" Ummm… Why should people in the big cities be tyrannised by rural folks? I don't get it…

  56. It seams that a majority of the problems that we are having all stem from the garbage that is being taught in schools.

  57. Do you think that all of these states that are passing National Popular Vote Act will experience a "backfire" at one point? Meaning that, a state like California may have to vote red if a Republican candidate wins the popular vote. A number of states have passed this bill, and I can only see it backfiring on them…….

  58. My partner and I are new conservatives in California with every intention of being a part of the establishment of the real republic of America

  59. This needs to be shared by all you folks that have social media accounts. Constitution and the nations history needs to be brought back to school. Not three repetitive years focused on slavery and only that. Have them read the Constitution, Bill of Rights, high school make them read federalist papers, make them have a conversation about that.

  60. Good show. I enjoyed it very much. I believe there should be way more education, knowledge and public awareness of how our counties, states and country work. Example, we have stupid TV's in gas pumps now for commercials. Instead,How about the most recent legislation or bill that will be voted on.

  61. The Democrats are sore losers and attack the Electoral College when they lose, I believe they wouldn't be complaining if the vote was reversed. I look at the election map by state and county and find it hard to believe the Democrats win any elections. I also think of all the people who live in rural areas and are legislated by the votes of a bunch of city people. I would be in favor of who ever wins 26 or more states by popular vote wins the election.

  62. Think of it like a Slam Dunk contest, three pointers don't matter even though you may score more points. It's a Slam Dunk contest not who scores the most points.

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